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Migs's avatar

But eric, literally that is what Harris did and she lost. That isn’t enough to win elections as seen by Harris.

Look I don’t have an answer but I have a feeling the most important feature of both republicans and democrats is don’t be in charge. Incumbency was what killed Harris. Same for Trump in 2020 and Hillary in 2016. The issue, from my perspective, is people want change, good or bad, but once you are elected they hate whatever change you try to effectuate. It has been happening now in every election since 2006 (with one exception, Obama).

Trump is basically doing everything he said he would do and yet after 2 months, his popularity has collapsed. It lasted like 6 months for Biden and 9 months for Trump 1.

We want change but the moment someone tries to do something, anything, we hate it. The problem is us, the voters.

You know what is worse? This is true of almost every voter in every developed economy in the world

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Eric Foley's avatar

Harris attempted to do what I described: she tried to get Cheney and Kinzinger into the tent without any pies being thrown.

I would submit that there are quite a few lefties who are simultaneously insisting that this is why she lost while trying to be as subtle as possible in scrubbing whipped cream off their hands.

In short… we have not successfully made that coalition. The lefties aren’t accepting them, and the center-righties know it. This very site takes incoming from liberal subscribers all the time for the fact that they’re pretty openly former Republicans.

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Migs's avatar

But that is never ever going to happen. That isn’t even reasonable to ask for. What prominent person didn’t come out for Harris from the left…or center in 2024? I can’t think of anyone who was against her…that is prominent. I’m not talking about the BS on twitter or some other chat room. Obama got criticized from the left (drone strikes) and the center (Obamacare and Syria).

This isn’t the issue. The issue is, incumbency, from my perspective.

If Dems elect AOC I’ll vote for her and support her. I would also vote for Liz Cheney against any republican. I probably agree with neither candidate’s views on many things.

What policy did Harris push that you feel lost her the election that you agreed with? Too many people think that what they want is popular and a winning message (sarah does this ALL the time). Centrism isn’t popular because it requires compromise and more importantly it’s BORING.

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