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MoosesMom's avatar

"The Knicks lost a dogfight. And while the president can’t directly be blamed, it’s hard to imagine that the blue-and-orange faithful want him returning to basketball mecca for game four on Wednesday."

Sports fans in Texas would beg to differ with you on the "can't directly be blamed" as they have seen it time after time, sport after sport, every time Ted Cruz attends a game.

Quinazoline's avatar

What really pissed me off was that they had to cancel the watch parties outside the arena. For long-time loyal Knicks fans priced out of a ticket, the watch parties were a nice alternative. Until Trump touched it and it died.

Obama, who was a legit and huge basketball fan and probably wanted to go to the NBA finals, never did, and for the exact reason that Trump should not have, regardless of the stupid invite from Dolan. Obama knew the security footprint would cause nightmares.

Linda Oliver's avatar

Losing the watch party outside the Garden was probably the worst part. I saw footage of the Obamas on the Jumbotron getting loudly cheered, with much better seats. Hopefully that irked Trump.

Quinazoline's avatar

I feel for those Knicks fans. It's bad enough that most average, loyal fans end up getting priced out of tickets during the playoffs, because, well, it is what it is (yay capitalism!). But come one - don't ruin the alternatives! This guys simply doesn't give a shit about anyone other than himself, his family and his cronies.

Dave Yell's avatar

He will probably rage tweet about it.

MoosesMom's avatar

It seems trump knew too but just didn't care - none of his staff cared and I doubt many of his voters cared either.

Robert Jaffee's avatar

“Obama knew the security footprint would cause nightmares.”

When you’re Dear Leader, you don’t bother with such insignificant details—like giving a damn about the fans….:)

Cale Lively's avatar

I mean everything Trump touches dies. So I think he is to blame, it goes beyond correlation at this point, to many data points.

LHS's avatar

I knew if the Knicks lost, the fans would blame Trump for jinxing the team. A logical thought on their parts. 🤔

Weswolf's avatar

He nicked the headline, but his goal was to become part of the story, anyway.

Rajeev's avatar

If the Spurs hung a picture of Ted Cruz behind the clear backboard of the opposing hoop they couldn’t lose. No player would want to look at that taking free throws or field goals.

McRob1234's avatar

I recommend that if Texans would prefer to win sport games, they should consistently tell Ted Cruz that there's a major winter storm coming and to provide him free tickets to Cancun.

Sometimes the ends justify the means. ;)

Dave Yell's avatar

When the going gets tough, the tough get going to Cancun.

MoosesMom's avatar

I get your drift, but living here, I think all Ted needs to know, still, is that a major winter storm is coming!

Dave Yell's avatar

I'm sure Teddy gets some lusty boos after which Texas elects him again and again.

Jim Taylor's avatar

Spurs fan sez 👏👏👏👏👏

Dave's avatar

As a member of the LDS Church, I have been warning my fellow Church members that are far-right and supportive of Christian Nationalism for years that if the country went Christian National, our Church would be outside looking in. Proof given - especially with the result that rather than include the LDS Church as Christians, they would rather remove the "Christian" designation from all other Christian churches.

Sara Smith's avatar

As an (admittedly lapsed) Catholic, I feel the same way about right-wing members of my former faith. Evangelical Christians may be cool with them right now, having made common cause over abortion, but many still believe the Catholic Church is “the whore of Babylon”.

There are significant differences between Christian religions. With all the Ten Commandments laws that states are passing (most of which use the King James translation), I like to point out that the Catholic and Lutheran version of the Commandments is not the same as other Protestant versions of them (or, I believe, of the Jewish version). While it’s mostly a numbering difference, Catholics and Lutherans separate “coveting thy neighbor’s wife” from “coveting my neighbor’s goods”, which I thinks distinguishes spouses from property and lust from greed. And, of course, NOBODY’s version of the Ten Commandments should be posted in a public space as a guideline for behavior because that constitutes an establishment of religion.

Andrew Egger's avatar

As a Lutheran I'll say the other virtue of the Catholic/Lutheran numbering is the way it (properly in my view!) consolidates the command "you shall have no other gods" with "you shall not make for yourself a graven image" helps avoid a lot of the distrust of art / iconoclasm you see in other Protestant traditions.

Daphne McHugh's avatar

That seems like a really crucial point, but reading it I could not help thinking of a golden statue of Trump surrounded by a group of dancers in MAGA hats!

Kate Fall's avatar

I'm of the view that the Beatitudes are more important to Christians and should be posted instead, but nobody would ever do that. Blessed are the merciful? Come. On.

Dan Miller's avatar

Agreed. The same thought haas often occurred to me, too.

Mike Lew's avatar

I'm another "former." In my 12 years of Catholic schooling, we were often reminded of how marginalized the Catholic Church was by various American authorities through the years. We were very grateful for First Amendment protections. Shame that the Catholic Church can't seem to remember American history.

Carol S.'s avatar

Then there are the (self-declared) Catholics who openly reject any pope they regard as too liberal.

Kate Fall's avatar

Ah, you've been to my family reunions!

Dave Yell's avatar

It is amazing how the far right hates Pope Leo even though he is a moderate conservative.

Lynn  Bentson's avatar

In fact Catholics were the major target of the Klan in the 1920s when it was a national rather than a primarily Southern organization . The Klan supported public schools so that Catholic parochial schools would have to close . Not only did Catholics "serve two masters " , from 1878-1903 Pope Leo remade Catholic doctrine to support workers over capitalists .

Written from a former KKK state , Oregon

Linda Oliver's avatar

I still recall the old graphic of a family being menaced by a bunch of mitre-headed crocodiles creeping shoreward towards them (Thomas Nast?).

Mike Lew's avatar

That thinking never left.

Daphne McHugh's avatar

One the other hand there is some odd desire among the Irish Catholics I know to feel that they are standing up bravely to the power of the oppressor

Sara Smith's avatar

American history or its own history!

drlemaster's avatar

Having witnessed this a few times, I can verify that evangelicals are generally unable to resist talking shit about Catholicism the instant the last Catholic leaves the room.

Richard Kane's avatar

You would think that the LDS Church would be careful about cozying up to Christian Nationalists given their history of oppression by their "brethren" of other Christian "faiths". Yeah, they happily gave up their productive farms in the East to settle in the high desert of Utah.

Dave's avatar

The "Church" as a whole doesn't cozy up to any other religion or political group - officially, but the members sure do, to your point.

I will say that generally speaking in all the 60 years I have been attending church there has never been any political direction from the Church (however they do speak on specific doctrinal issues like abortion) nor at the local units other than about the civic duty to learn about the candidates, the issues, and to vote for good people.

As far as giving up their farms in the East, I think it worked out pretty good for them back then and today :-)

NVO's avatar

Reminds me of officials in the south closing publics pools and schools and parks rather than integrate. The hate is so strong they'd rather disband the club than let you in.

Smike's avatar

Yes indeed. I remember as a teenager going to a session at a Christian summer camp about cults and learning, among other things, how Mormonism was one and therefore not Christian. That experience has really stuck with me (along with another thing related to gender) that really captures the mindset of the Christian right.

Quinazoline's avatar

I remember going to a Christian summer camp, praying to God before trying the obstacle course that I would make it through, then falling from it and breaking my arm. It made me realize that my (lack of) ability to complete the course was the reason I fell. In my view, it had nothing to do with God.

I also remember talk of "Mormons", and it wasn't what I would call "inclusive".

Tim Coffey's avatar

Andrew: "Last week, the Department of Defense significantly cut down its number of “recognized” faith groups from more than 200 to just 31. The point, as usual, was basically dewokification, with “wokeness” here defined as attempting to respect the faiths of servicemembers belonging to tiny religious minorities: “pagans,” “humanists,” and “New Age” faiths, among many others, were out. The Defense Department, Hegseth said, was “making the Chaplain Corps Great Again.”"

This is just a reminder that the more outwardly and ostentatiously religious one is, the higher the probability they're a moral degenerate. It's been a while since Catholic middle school, but I'm pretty sure the Lord would look down upon Little Peter's behavior. Adultery. Sexual assault. Drunkenness. All are signs of a person whose eyes only face inward and is entirely self seeking. So it is indeed amusing that such a person would decide what constitutes a valid religion.

As for the Knicks' loss last night, #ETTD.

Mike Lew's avatar

If you listen to all the MAGA preachers, Jesus would be impressed with Sec Hegseth's ability to do push ups! /s

Tim Coffey's avatar

MAGA preachers.

< Tim starts laughing hysterically >

Those assholes are at this point foregone conclusions, aren't they?

LHS's avatar

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Mike Lew's avatar

Wow, sure looks like a big tough warrior there!

Weswolf's avatar

Prancing Pete, our favorite pretty pony.

Dave Yell's avatar

Prancing jack ass

Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

At least he's good at something positive.

Dave Yell's avatar

He is a positively a jack ass

Daphne McHugh's avatar

Tim it’s always been ok that the men behave that way and despite Jesus with his weak libtard view of casting stones you can’t let the women get away with it.

Jeri in Tx's avatar

All these born again males have to do is say that they have been forgiven by their version of Jesus and all is hunky-dory.

I think li'l petey should humble his know-nothing @ss and sit down. he's one of the many in power that shouldn't be making decisions on what is and isn't recognized as christianity with his ugly past not far behind him. When your own mother writes a letter telling you what a disgrace you are as a man, well...

Jeff Bernfeld's avatar

"This is just a reminder that the more outwardly and ostentatiously religious one is, the higher the probability they're a moral degenerate. "

Indeed.

Mike Lew's avatar

I remember the Yellow Pages days. Only someone wanting to be ripped off would call a contractor with one of those Jesus fish in their ad.

The Blockhead Chronicles's avatar

I wish I could be there when Pete meets the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

dlnevins's avatar

Pete will find out too late that the touch of His Moodley Appendage will not be a gentle one. RAMAN!

Mike Lew's avatar
3hEdited

I suspect this whole religious dust-up won't cost the GOP a single LDS vote.

Dave's avatar

As an LDS, I can confirm it will not

The Blockhead Chronicles's avatar

Indeed. They voted for Based Mike Lee.

Kate Fall's avatar

Nope, it's just entertainment and content to them, basically. Just a fun thing to watch on TV, Mike Lee talking about how he appealed to Trump to approve his religion and good things are bound to come from it. It might as well be an advertisement.

Linda Oliver's avatar

My late Mormon sister loathed Trump and Republicans from the second Trump opened his mouth at the foot of that escalator.

Dave Yell's avatar

part of the cult

Garvin's avatar

You can dismiss Wiccans and others all you want, but I've known a few throughout my life and they run the gamut of believers, just like everyone else - some crazy, some lovely, and all of them Americans.

Daphne McHugh's avatar

Once the authoritarian, rightwing theocracy takes over, it will be fun to watch the allies for now fight to the death, but I don’t think they will let people like me survive to see it. The European religious wars of the seventeenth century, which were also religious, led to the deaths of enormous swathes of the population. This was very much on the minds of the founders of the United States who called for tolerance and religious freedom.

Keith Wresch's avatar

The pentagon papered over the cracks and uproar created by their ham handedness, but if I were Mormon I might want to take a hard look at the views of those I thought on the same side. The original designation was no accident. The Hegseth types don’t see the Mormons as *true* Christians is Christians at all. The Mormons have had a long history of persecution in this country and the only real protection is secular liberalism and equal rights for all. They would do well to think a bit on their own reaction and how others excluded for no reason might feel as well. Though a minor blip in the grand scheme, this should remind them Mormons are not fully accepted into the club of white Christian nationalists.

Keith Wresch's avatar

For being a working class revolt, WASP’s are still preferred in MAGAland.

Hortense's avatar

I remember years ago a Baptist couple with their two kids stop by my house as they were going about witnessing. When I mentioned that I was Catholic, the wife motioned the two kids behind her and the four of them scurried away. I do remember that some Baptist sects were taught that Catholics are anti-Christs. It must have been horrifying to them to have met one in person.

Carolyn Phipps's avatar

Yes, I moved -- not comfortably and not for long -- in those circles in my late teens. I do owe them a solid grounding in Bible study even though I had doubts about their theological stances.

Tracey Henley's avatar

Years ago my very RC neighbor sent her youngest daughter to an evening vacation Bible school run by the Baptist church around the corner, just to get her out of the house. Erica came home and asked her parents what a “whore of Babylon” was, and why was their church one? So Laura laughingly introduced herself to the pastor, who had the *temporary* courtesy to blush. (Our neighborhood is bracketed by two Baptist churches. That one was known as the “mean” one.)

Hortense's avatar

I feel like there is probably a lot of "righteous" congratulations for surviving contact with such evil as a Catholic.

dlnevins's avatar

Or the Orthodox.

Even some Protestant churches aren't seen as Real Christians by Hegseth's church.

LHS's avatar

I am often surprised at how many people who most definitely are seen by MAGA as "other", delude themselves into thinking they are the exception to the rule and the In Crowd not only likes them, but considers them part of the In Crowd. They may get a nasty surprise one day and maybe will figure out they have merely been useful idiots to MAGA. A reading of the "First they came" poem attributed to Martin Niemöller might help them see more clearly, but I doubt it.

Sara Smith's avatar

Despite the fact that Jesus Christ is LITERALLY in the church’s official name! (as Senator Lee pointed out). You can’t make this stuff up.

Travis's avatar
2hEdited

One of the more humorous moments of my enlisted service was when I had them put "Branch Davidian" on my dog tags as an atheist and everyone thought it was just some random offshoot of evangelical christianity. I still have those tags and it still makes me laugh. I think I only met one senior enlisted person who actually knew who the BDs were and he got a laugh out of it.

Andrew Egger's avatar

And just to be clear this policy change only involved classification of troops for chaplain-ministry purposes--you're still allowed to put anything on your dog tags you want!

Peter H.'s avatar

While that's the official reason, for all my time in uniform I considered it secondary to who shows up at your loved one's door should the worst happen. When I got married, I changed mine from no religion to my spouse's faith tradition exactly for that reason.

Linda Albert's avatar

Some real historians in the military, huh?

The Blockhead Chronicles's avatar

“This is mere ipse dixit,” he wrote, meaning offered without evidence.

“Ipse dixit” is the motto of this administration.

LHS's avatar

As the late, great Groucho Marx once said, "Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?".

Mike Lew's avatar

The LDS business highlights an important aspect of authoritarianism, nobody stays in the tent forever. There are constant purity tests, and eventually you'll be on the outside. It always happens. Pastor Niemoller said it better than I ever could.

Jeff Lazar's avatar

A reminder for Kegsbreath and other pseudo-Christians from Rev. Jim Walls: Christianity is not a religion that gives some people a ticket to heaven and makes them judgmental of all others.

Rather, it’s a call to a relationship that changes all our other relationships.

Carol S.'s avatar

According to some people, apparently, Christianity didn't really start until Theodosius used the power of the state to ban paganism (i.e., traditional religious practices) and enforce particular doctrines as Christian orthodoxy.

Howling Loaf's avatar

When Kevin McCarthy was Speaker of the House, Trump referred to him as "My Kevin." Now that Mike Johnson is Speaker of the House, Trump probably calls him "My Johnson."

Mike Lew's avatar

I see what you did there! 😀

Tucker Burroughs's avatar

The Speaker is rather short of stature.

Brian F. Johnson's avatar

Mona, you have surpassed Bill's abilities to channel the inner thoughts of our dear leader with your ability to channel the J6 insurrectionists. Well Done! LOL.. . . sigh

Kate Fall's avatar

That was quite good.

Susan A.'s avatar

When I joined the military, I put 'Other' on my religious affiliation - the list then was pretty short and didn't include 'Skeptic' which is where I was at the time. The only religion I had any experience with was Seventh-Day Adventist and, in the military, you want to save that for the off chance you decide you want out early. It's quite good for a faith-based discharge since they're all about what Jesus says like 'Turn the other cheek' and 'Love your enemies' and don't much approve of soldiers and war. My mom, who was quite devout, wasn't happy at all with me joining up. Still, the idea that the list is, once again, a laughably short one (hey, isn't it really just 'Christian'?) irks me. Yet again this administration has done the wrong thing. In fact, they do the wrong thing so often it's a shock when something they do is, probably quite accidentally, right. And, hmm, I can't remember what any of them were....

WDD's avatar

At my dear friend's wake, the display of his dog-tags confirmed that he had indeed listed his religion as "Nordic", with the expectation that his remains would be pushed out to sea in a burning longship. (He was an armor officer in the '80's, so I guess that was an option then? 😉 )

Rest of the story: Last year I loaded his cremated remains into a wooden model ship, and took his children, sister, and some close others sailing into the Gulf of Mexico. We lit him up, shoved him off, and toasted his memory with rhum because I hadn't thought to buy mead. There was not one boring minute in his life, and we hope we helped get his afterlife off to a similar start.

Richard Kane's avatar

You are a true friend!

Rajeev's avatar

LDS voters are both simultaneously moving away from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party while also moving toward Trump. The Evan McMullin types of Republicans that can’t vote either Democrat or for Trump is the group that is shrinking.

Daphne McHugh's avatar

Rajeev you just reminded me of something Jeff Flake said about how his LDS church in Arizona had told the original congregation that families on one side of the aisle should be republican and on the other Democrats.

James Borden's avatar

If the public at large had been paying more attention to the ins and outs of Section 702 since it was proposed Trump would not be president period and some of the "Democrats don't fight" rhetoric would not exist. There are certainly individual good Democrats like Ron Wyden who have fought on this from the beginning.