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Catie's avatar

Mike Pence: "trump should never be president again."

Also Mike Pence: "I'll vote for trump, if he's the nominee."

You cannot make this up. The cowardice is so utterly profound.

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Gene W.'s avatar

Not so much cowardice. More like thinking he can have it both ways and everyone will love him for it, when in reality what he is doing will please no one.

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J. Andres Hannah-Suarez's avatar

Ditto William Barr.

Sure, he'll resign when Trump has gone too far, but obviously he was just covering his own ass, given that he also lied for Trump in "summarizing" the Mueller report and then refused to testify at his impeachment proceedings. Oh and not out of loyalty to the office, but rather so that he could tell his story in a book and get $$$.

He then goes on the talk show circuit to say that a second Trump term is an existential threat, but when asked if that means he would vote for Biden if Trump is the Republican nominee, and he has consistently said he would ALWAYS vote for the Republican candidate.

Oh and in his explanation of how the hell he could still support Trump, Barr has had the audacity to say that the BIGGER existential threat to the U.S. is Biden's "EXTREME" left agenda.

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eah's avatar

CSPAN aired a speech Barr gave to the Federalist Society a few years ago. It was frighteningly authoritarian, and he got a standing ovation. IMO, Barr and his culture club pose a far greater threat to the country than Biden ever could.

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J. Andres Hannah-Suarez's avatar

Agreed 100%

What is especially surprising about Barr is that he sold his soul to the devil and DESTROYED his reputation for nothing, really. He'd already served as AG in a prior Republican administration. So he exposed himself to the fuckery that is Trump for what? To stay relevant?

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Erisian's avatar

There was a time when the Federalist Society enjoyed a reputation as an intellectual thinktank for the Conservative movement. They have become openly blatantly fascist since the coming of TFG, and these days *any* authoritarian who strokes their prejudices will receive a standing O.

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Dan-o's avatar

I should also mention that I am very grateful that Mr. Pence conferred with Luttig and Quayle and decided to buck the tremendous pressure to do the wrong thing. We all are definitely indebted to him as a country.

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Dan-o's avatar

I think Mr. Pence has in his mind that if he says this word salad(and I believe it is definitely a word salad, similar to trumps, just not tossed), in a serious, senior statesman-like voice, with a slow drawl to emphasize just how deep and serious he is being, that us common folk will accept that he is serious and deserving of respect. And maybe high office.

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Ben Gruder's avatar

I thought being God-fearing meant not being so afraid of humans. Pence isn't walking the walk.

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Scott Cooper's avatar

Pence is such a creature of the tribalism in politics he'd vote Republican if Hitler himself came back from the dead and won the GOP nomination. Because for the GOP, a genocidal warmongering maniac on Team GOP is nowhere near as bad as a a Democrat holding office.

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Craig Butcher's avatar

Give Pence his due. He makes no claim that voting for someone who should not be elected is a wrong action, and therefore makes no claim about the rightness or wrongness of voting for Trump. He only claims it is wrong for Trump to BE president. As to ELECTING him, he takes no ethical position. Doubtless he will point this out to the gatekeeper when, having been called home by Jesus, he is being interviewed for placement in his next plane of existence.

And even if it is wrong to elect someone who should not be elected, he doesn't promise not to act wrongly. In fact, he promises to do the opposite. This is not hypocrisy, it's candor -- candor , that is,in the present day.

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Linda Oliver's avatar

тАЬHeтАЩs totally unfit to be President again. And for the good of the nation, IтАЩd vote for himтАЭ. SMH.

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Erisian's avatar

No, this is the entirety of the New GOP. There are still many people who consider themselves Republican who are not Magadonians (TFG's name for his cult members), who still believe in the party as it was prior to the Tangerine Tyrant's pollution of its ideals. I think this can be demonstrated just by continuing to read The Bulwark where a predominance of its contributors are Never Trump Republicans.

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