Cool strawman you got there, but I'm not letting you put words in my mouth.
You're clearly unfamiliar with the history of anti-statist socialism, anarchism, and the socialist involvement in pro-democracy and civil rights movements. You should consider reading more about them. I'm not going to try to convince you that socialism is some pe…
Cool strawman you got there, but I'm not letting you put words in my mouth.
You're clearly unfamiliar with the history of anti-statist socialism, anarchism, and the socialist involvement in pro-democracy and civil rights movements. You should consider reading more about them. I'm not going to try to convince you that socialism is some perfect system, but trotting out old canards that are ignorant of historical realities isn't particularly helpful.
Also, last time I checked, it was the conservatives and capitalists wielding the boot of the state in this country.
Yes, let’s be like the anarchists and early/mid 20th century socialists (Lenin, Mao).
How’d Acapulco work out for y’all?
But since you are all about me being “ignorant of historical realities,” please, name ONE - just one - country where the anarchist/socialists took control and it worked out great (over at least a 50 year period). And no, Sweden does not fall into that category.
Oh come on. 250 years ago you wouldn't find any examples of a long lived society that treated women as equals or had lasted without slavery.
Even the idea of democracy was considered a historical failure by many. The idea that we need "successful" past models to design future ones would have had us stuck in feudalism for an eternity.
And frankly, there have been examples. Anarchist Spain, Rojava, the Mondragon Cooperative, etc. None of them perfect (because no system with humans will ever be) but useful references to help us plan a better way.
Maybe you think capitalism is fine and our society is doing just great and nothing is broken, but I don't think the majority agree with that. Maybe you think my ideas are nonsense that will end terribly. But the system clearly isn't working for the good of everyone, and at least I'm willing to take a stand and make the case for something better. I haven't seen you do that.
So what's your alternative? Do nothing while the rich continue to get richer and the poor die needlessly? Tweak a few regulations and hope the system corrects itself? Roll back the clock to feudal autocracy like the alt-right wants?
There's nothing wrong with spinning socialist or anarchist theories, as long as (1.) their disinformation does not go without response , e.g., taking "Anarchist Spain" as a model, if we're talking about the 1930s, has to address its anti-Catholic pogroms and mass executions of priests and religious, either to endorse or condemn, and not to be passed over in silence, and (2.) they are denied access to tools of coercion, to make sure that their theories can't circumvent the safeguards of democratic debate and the judgement of voters.
As long as that's the case, I have no problem with confronting them in the Marketplace of Ideas, where their tendency to dismiss arguments against their positions as uninformed or misguided rather than answering them can only end up supporting the cause of freedom.
Cool strawman you got there, but I'm not letting you put words in my mouth.
You're clearly unfamiliar with the history of anti-statist socialism, anarchism, and the socialist involvement in pro-democracy and civil rights movements. You should consider reading more about them. I'm not going to try to convince you that socialism is some perfect system, but trotting out old canards that are ignorant of historical realities isn't particularly helpful.
Also, last time I checked, it was the conservatives and capitalists wielding the boot of the state in this country.
Yes, let’s be like the anarchists and early/mid 20th century socialists (Lenin, Mao).
How’d Acapulco work out for y’all?
But since you are all about me being “ignorant of historical realities,” please, name ONE - just one - country where the anarchist/socialists took control and it worked out great (over at least a 50 year period). And no, Sweden does not fall into that category.
Go ahead. We’ll wait.
Oh come on. 250 years ago you wouldn't find any examples of a long lived society that treated women as equals or had lasted without slavery.
Even the idea of democracy was considered a historical failure by many. The idea that we need "successful" past models to design future ones would have had us stuck in feudalism for an eternity.
And frankly, there have been examples. Anarchist Spain, Rojava, the Mondragon Cooperative, etc. None of them perfect (because no system with humans will ever be) but useful references to help us plan a better way.
Maybe you think capitalism is fine and our society is doing just great and nothing is broken, but I don't think the majority agree with that. Maybe you think my ideas are nonsense that will end terribly. But the system clearly isn't working for the good of everyone, and at least I'm willing to take a stand and make the case for something better. I haven't seen you do that.
So what's your alternative? Do nothing while the rich continue to get richer and the poor die needlessly? Tweak a few regulations and hope the system corrects itself? Roll back the clock to feudal autocracy like the alt-right wants?
I thought you were the history guru and I knew nothing, yet you have no examples of how great socialist states are? As I knew. Because I know history…
But sure, continue to believe socialism is awesome.
What a joke.
There's nothing wrong with spinning socialist or anarchist theories, as long as (1.) their disinformation does not go without response , e.g., taking "Anarchist Spain" as a model, if we're talking about the 1930s, has to address its anti-Catholic pogroms and mass executions of priests and religious, either to endorse or condemn, and not to be passed over in silence, and (2.) they are denied access to tools of coercion, to make sure that their theories can't circumvent the safeguards of democratic debate and the judgement of voters.
As long as that's the case, I have no problem with confronting them in the Marketplace of Ideas, where their tendency to dismiss arguments against their positions as uninformed or misguided rather than answering them can only end up supporting the cause of freedom.