Regarding Israel and Hamas, the problem stems from the fact that Palestinians had their property stolen from them, they held title to it, in the creation of the state of Israel and that continued with the terrorists called "settlers". Hamas is a direct outcome of that theft. Of course, it also is a direct outcome of European Christians persecuting Jews since Rome became a Christian empire. Europe failed the Jews and the Palestinians. You brought it up.
That said, people have the freedom to fight injustice with a boycott. Whether that does any good when the ultimate grievances are never discussed and thus the solutions are avoided is another issue.
No one has a monopoly on victimhood. After the German defeat in WW2, 85% of the population of Gdansk -- a historically German city in Poland then known as Danzig -- were expelled.
And that they never compensated the Palestinians for stealing their property they will not know peace. This situation exist because the Israelis victimized the Palestinians, had they went about creating their state fairly or the Europeans given the Jewish people European territory, this would be happening.
God doesn't exist. They can believe what they want, but they nor the Europeans who carved up the Middle East had any authority to allow the theft of property in the creation of states after WWI and of Israel in 1948.
Archeology exists. There are ancient scrolls, artifacts and history belonging to the Jews in the territory that became the state of Israel. And Great Britain held ownership of all that land. If Israel is a 'land stealing' state, so is Jordan.
And what about Pakistan? Wasn't that a carved out country that also took land from India as part of its development? And what about America? Etc. Etc.
But what is happening NOW on the West Bank in settlers conviscating land from Palestinians is unacceptable as that has happened since boundaries were established and is a current issue that should be resolved fairly. But part of the root of that issue ( besides religious fanaticism) is the struggling economy of Israel. That land is cheaper and the government 'gives' it to Israeli families who struggle financially to encourage birth rates. And these families are desperate and want to afford a home and raise their kids. So I understand those families.
But the Israeli government is the problem because of not coming up with humane and fair solutions for Israeli families that do not violate Palestinian community rights in West Bank.
None of that matters because the ONLY thing that matters is that the Palestinians owned the property that was stolen from them without just compensation.
My understanding is that they lived on the land and it was their cultural home. They collectively owned 44% of the land with other Arabs as state- owned (public land). The Jews owned 7 %.The majority was owned through a British mandate. So you are only partially correct. And a chunk of the land was given to Jordan for the Palestinians to live. So compensation is complicated because Jordan could be considered partial compensation as well as land they were able to keep. Regardless, none of what you said matters RIGHT NOW when there is a humanitarian crisis and ethnic cleansing going on in the land they still own.. That needs to stop. There needs to be an end of killing and driving people off their land before figuring out compensation.
And what happens when countries/states win land through wars? Does everyone else in the world get to keep land they win through war settlements unless they are Jews? I guess the majority of countries in this entire world owe out a lot of compensation to other lands then. Not going to happen......
The only salient fact is that people, in this case Palestinians, owned, had legal title, to property. That the overlaying government changes doesn't change that fact. Those Palestinians had their property stolen from them and they were driven out. It is that uncompensated theft and ethnic cleansing, that is at the heart of the problem and it will continue until either the Palestinians are eliminated, as Israel is apparently trying to do, or the Palestinians are made whole.
Regarding Israel and Hamas, the problem stems from the fact that Palestinians had their property stolen from them, they held title to it, in the creation of the state of Israel and that continued with the terrorists called "settlers". Hamas is a direct outcome of that theft. Of course, it also is a direct outcome of European Christians persecuting Jews since Rome became a Christian empire. Europe failed the Jews and the Palestinians. You brought it up.
That said, people have the freedom to fight injustice with a boycott. Whether that does any good when the ultimate grievances are never discussed and thus the solutions are avoided is another issue.
Yes. If you are going to boycott, you'd best have a very specific, achievable target in mind.
No one has a monopoly on victimhood. After the German defeat in WW2, 85% of the population of Gdansk -- a historically German city in Poland then known as Danzig -- were expelled.
And that they never compensated the Palestinians for stealing their property they will not know peace. This situation exist because the Israelis victimized the Palestinians, had they went about creating their state fairly or the Europeans given the Jewish people European territory, this would be happening.
God doesn't exist. They can believe what they want, but they nor the Europeans who carved up the Middle East had any authority to allow the theft of property in the creation of states after WWI and of Israel in 1948.
Archeology exists. There are ancient scrolls, artifacts and history belonging to the Jews in the territory that became the state of Israel. And Great Britain held ownership of all that land. If Israel is a 'land stealing' state, so is Jordan.
And what about Pakistan? Wasn't that a carved out country that also took land from India as part of its development? And what about America? Etc. Etc.
But what is happening NOW on the West Bank in settlers conviscating land from Palestinians is unacceptable as that has happened since boundaries were established and is a current issue that should be resolved fairly. But part of the root of that issue ( besides religious fanaticism) is the struggling economy of Israel. That land is cheaper and the government 'gives' it to Israeli families who struggle financially to encourage birth rates. And these families are desperate and want to afford a home and raise their kids. So I understand those families.
But the Israeli government is the problem because of not coming up with humane and fair solutions for Israeli families that do not violate Palestinian community rights in West Bank.
None of that matters because the ONLY thing that matters is that the Palestinians owned the property that was stolen from them without just compensation.
My understanding is that they lived on the land and it was their cultural home. They collectively owned 44% of the land with other Arabs as state- owned (public land). The Jews owned 7 %.The majority was owned through a British mandate. So you are only partially correct. And a chunk of the land was given to Jordan for the Palestinians to live. So compensation is complicated because Jordan could be considered partial compensation as well as land they were able to keep. Regardless, none of what you said matters RIGHT NOW when there is a humanitarian crisis and ethnic cleansing going on in the land they still own.. That needs to stop. There needs to be an end of killing and driving people off their land before figuring out compensation.
And what happens when countries/states win land through wars? Does everyone else in the world get to keep land they win through war settlements unless they are Jews? I guess the majority of countries in this entire world owe out a lot of compensation to other lands then. Not going to happen......
The only salient fact is that people, in this case Palestinians, owned, had legal title, to property. That the overlaying government changes doesn't change that fact. Those Palestinians had their property stolen from them and they were driven out. It is that uncompensated theft and ethnic cleansing, that is at the heart of the problem and it will continue until either the Palestinians are eliminated, as Israel is apparently trying to do, or the Palestinians are made whole.