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Mark P's avatar

The problem is these Biden supporters are not enough to get Joe over the hump, he needs to win independents and undecideds as well (the other group you describe), and it looks highly unlikely that he will get enough votes from these groups to win the swing states.

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David Court's avatar

Are you saying that the unaligned and undecideds would vote affirmatively for CFT over Joe if Joe stays in? Or that you think they would vote passively by not voting at all? Because those are the only two alternatives if Joe stays in and that group, as a group, decides not to support him in any way.

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Mark P's avatar

I think mostly they'll just decide to sit it out and not vote for either, so you could say it hurts both sides, but really it hurts Biden more, because he needs more votes than Trump just to stay even due to the electoral college imbalance.

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David Court's avatar

However you justify if, it amounts to the same thing: A no vote for Joe is a help for CFT because it is a vote against democracy and that is what Project 2025 is all about, even if CFT says he never heard of it.

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Mark P's avatar

100% agree. I wish all these "undecideds" felt the same way. If people are still undecided at this point they haven't been paying attention, I find these people exasperating.

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Terry Hilldale's avatar

You would think they learned their lesson in 2016. In fact they did learn their lesson in time for the 2020 elections which saw historically high turnout and historically low third party votes. Do you think these same voters are going to forget the lesson in Nov 2024?

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