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Shana, as an almost 70 year-old white man, I couldn't agree more! Unfortunately, we are now living in a reactionary moment of an extreme and especially amoral -- immoral -- variety when expressions of empathy and compassion are shamed and often replaced by arrogance and an essentially violent chauvinism and outright misogyny that seem to be without any boundaries, thanks to Nihilist MAGA tropes and social media (owned by the tech bros themselves). And I think Sam might be more of the 28% mix tech bro ilk when it is just the boys. You're right about missing Sarah, et al., from the their podcasts -- perhaps Sam should only be paired with one of the women on the Bulwark, woke or not to say so. Or bring in Charlie Sykes or Michael Steele and their brand of wisdom and maturity achieved perhaps by having lived a few decades longer.

These are serious times and demand serious conversation.

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