A most interesting look into tre Texas branch of “Wonderland”. What scares me is the number of “followers” some of these people have lapping up their hogwash. I realize this is Texas we’re talking about, but this whole episode speaks to the lack of professionalism in event reporting and its replacement with grifters and credulous amateurs!! Confer statehood on DC, and let Texas go. We’ll all be better off!!
Of course, the irony is lost on Abbott, Paxton, Patrick and others whose fake Christian governance has ushered in some aspects of sharia regarding women's freedoms. I moved near my son in Austin 5 years ago after 50 years in MA. Texas is in many ways a beautiful, diverse and historical state and I'd like it fine if it weren't so damned hot and if the government here had more heart and a lick of common sense. We need Molly Ivins now more than during the Bush administration, bless her.
The Ground Zero Mosque was proper to oppose, even if many did oppose it for the wrong reasons. Taid anyone bother to examine the political beliefs of its prospective Imam? To make America more habitable for his brand of Islam, he wanted a bench of religious scholars to be constituted to review and aye or nay decisions by the US Supreme Court. That was his idea of reform. Read his book! He is an Islamic Supremacist through and through.
People are quite ready to castigate Christians for such ridiculous ideas. That Ground Zero Mosque would indeed have been seen the world over, not as America’s religious freedom, but as a shameful cave-in to Islamism, and a victory for the Islamists.
This vacant land in Texas is entirely different, and should not even be mentioned in the same article as the Ground Zero Mosque.
I know my words above will be castigated by some as bigoted, etc. , but the truth can be bitter.
consider yourself castigated. The Constitution only works if you extend it to the most hated vile people you can find. Unless you have ironclad evidence of criminal wrong doing.
Haha, that's why we ended up with Trump. We let misinformation rule the roost starting with Rush Limbaugh 30 odd years ago, all in the name of the Constitutional protection of Freedom of Speech. Likewise, we said "Money is speech", and "Corporations are persons" and thus Corporate money is speech. And so on and so forth.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and nothing in the Constitution compels us to tolerate intolerance. But we let our brains fall out, and did nothing for thirty years, and the poison accumulated and now we may lose everything.
To the specific point of the Ground Zero Mosque, no one has a right to build whatever they want wherever they want, otherwise the Ground Zero Mosque would simply have been built without debate. It is a privilege, not a right.. There are permissions needed, and America rightly held its ground. The imam and his congregation were and are still free to try to build a mosque somewhere else, with the same noble goals. Surely the nobility of his goals are not tied to a specific city block? Or maybe those goals are not so noble?
I see a bunch of zoning and traffic issues being played out in court. Perhaps thats cover for trying to prevent disfavored religion. The whole argument about the "mosque at ground zero" was the right wing determination that it was spiking the ball and a museum to terrorist recruitment and success. That Islam by definition is a terrorist organization. That's its a front for Sharia Law
It was. The Imam of that mosque wanted a panel of religious scholars to aye or nay Supreme Court decisions. That IS Sharia. It reflects on this particular group, and not on all the Muslims who don’t support that. Islam has as many sects, denominations, as Christianity and is hardly a monolith.
For all the "land of the free" hoopla, Americans have never been welcoming to any group that organizes around principles which are 'different'. Citizens of my little nation have been subjected to ethnic cleansing in Georgia for the crime of having been there since before the Americans arrived, and before the British, French, and Spanish arrived. And, once 'relocated' to the Great American Desert our final bit of land was taken in order to make Oklahoma the great American bastion of 'freedom' where we were beaten for speaking our language after statehood. Good Luck to the Muslims of Texas - they will need it.
A hundred years ago, Klansmen were convinced, and doing their best to convince others, that the basement of every Catholic church was chock-a-block with guns just waiting for the Pope to give the signal to rise up, take over the country, and kill all the good, right-thinking Protestants. Sounds like their grandchildren and great-grandchildren in Texas are back at the same old lemonade stand, or never left it. Just about a different religion.
If the plan didn't include a gated compound, observation tower, and optional shooting platform, EPIC may want to add those for their own safety. Because let’s be honest, they won’t be safe, and Texas law enforcement is more likely to pour gas on the flames before they'd ever come to their rescue.
We have a development like this in Irving. Two walled neighborhoods next to a big mosque. All of the streets have Islamic names. So yes, you can buy a house there if you are not Muslim, but you won't. It's defacto segregation.
“It will be a gated, guarded compound, and our law enforcement would never be able to touch it,” one resident warned." That's bad.
But if Trump sends immigrants without due process to “a gated, guarded compound" in El Salvador that the American taxpayer is footing, and "our law enforcement would never be able to touch it,” that's 100% fine.
Today's episode of Knowledge Fight covers Tucker's interview with Andrew Isker, a right-wing pastor type who is running away from Minnesota because the state has declared war on Christians and he worries that teachers will try to turn his autistic son trans. So he is removing himself from the world to create a Christian refuge community in Tennessee with financial backing of rich Trump guy Mark Andreesen. I'm guessing all those Texas whiners wouldn't see the harm in this one.
As a dedicated wonk, I shill for Knowledge Fight whenever I can. I found them through a comment somewhere, so hoping to steer others Dan and Jordan's way. Dan especially does some seriously good work.
As a Jew, I would have no problem having that development built near me. I try to imagine a company owned by Christians deciding to build a neighborhood near me. And building a church there as well. Could that actually happen in America? A Christian community with a church? Oh yeah, I guess it already has. If it’s good enough for the Christians, it’s good enough for the Muslims, or the Hindus or Buddhists or even people that don’t care.
These people in Texas are really showing their true colors. And they’re really reaching with all these investigations. I wish some of Trump’s land deals had been scrutinized more closely.
Florida is full of no-go zones and has been for years. The fact that they are mostly for wealthy white people and called "gated" "Retirement" etc makes them palatable for others. They are gated, they have security gates, they have codes, they have other protocols in place. They are enclaves where the mostly "christian" white brethren can cohabit and scream about all those "others".
I need a MAGA whisperer to explain why a mosque is terrible, but Trump and Kushner doing all kinds of deals with The Crown Prince is awesome. I think the obvious compromise that will work for everybody is if this Muslim development includes a Trump tower and a LIV tournament golf course.
Will,
A most interesting look into tre Texas branch of “Wonderland”. What scares me is the number of “followers” some of these people have lapping up their hogwash. I realize this is Texas we’re talking about, but this whole episode speaks to the lack of professionalism in event reporting and its replacement with grifters and credulous amateurs!! Confer statehood on DC, and let Texas go. We’ll all be better off!!
Tom Cannon
Asheville, NC
Pure, unadulterated racism. Texas-style.
everything is bigger in Texas
Of course, the irony is lost on Abbott, Paxton, Patrick and others whose fake Christian governance has ushered in some aspects of sharia regarding women's freedoms. I moved near my son in Austin 5 years ago after 50 years in MA. Texas is in many ways a beautiful, diverse and historical state and I'd like it fine if it weren't so damned hot and if the government here had more heart and a lick of common sense. We need Molly Ivins now more than during the Bush administration, bless her.
The Ground Zero Mosque was proper to oppose, even if many did oppose it for the wrong reasons. Taid anyone bother to examine the political beliefs of its prospective Imam? To make America more habitable for his brand of Islam, he wanted a bench of religious scholars to be constituted to review and aye or nay decisions by the US Supreme Court. That was his idea of reform. Read his book! He is an Islamic Supremacist through and through.
People are quite ready to castigate Christians for such ridiculous ideas. That Ground Zero Mosque would indeed have been seen the world over, not as America’s religious freedom, but as a shameful cave-in to Islamism, and a victory for the Islamists.
This vacant land in Texas is entirely different, and should not even be mentioned in the same article as the Ground Zero Mosque.
I know my words above will be castigated by some as bigoted, etc. , but the truth can be bitter.
consider yourself castigated. The Constitution only works if you extend it to the most hated vile people you can find. Unless you have ironclad evidence of criminal wrong doing.
Haha, that's why we ended up with Trump. We let misinformation rule the roost starting with Rush Limbaugh 30 odd years ago, all in the name of the Constitutional protection of Freedom of Speech. Likewise, we said "Money is speech", and "Corporations are persons" and thus Corporate money is speech. And so on and so forth.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and nothing in the Constitution compels us to tolerate intolerance. But we let our brains fall out, and did nothing for thirty years, and the poison accumulated and now we may lose everything.
To the specific point of the Ground Zero Mosque, no one has a right to build whatever they want wherever they want, otherwise the Ground Zero Mosque would simply have been built without debate. It is a privilege, not a right.. There are permissions needed, and America rightly held its ground. The imam and his congregation were and are still free to try to build a mosque somewhere else, with the same noble goals. Surely the nobility of his goals are not tied to a specific city block? Or maybe those goals are not so noble?
Tell me when somebody denies a building permit to a Christian Church. Never happened.
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/san-diego-sued-over-del-cerro-megachurch/509-6923caa1-bf98-48e5-96ff-8a7a8e408859
I see a bunch of zoning and traffic issues being played out in court. Perhaps thats cover for trying to prevent disfavored religion. The whole argument about the "mosque at ground zero" was the right wing determination that it was spiking the ball and a museum to terrorist recruitment and success. That Islam by definition is a terrorist organization. That's its a front for Sharia Law
It was. The Imam of that mosque wanted a panel of religious scholars to aye or nay Supreme Court decisions. That IS Sharia. It reflects on this particular group, and not on all the Muslims who don’t support that. Islam has as many sects, denominations, as Christianity and is hardly a monolith.
https://www.justice.gov/crt/city-improperly-excluded-church-downtown-district-appeals-court-rules
https://www.fosterswift.com/communications-Townships-Denial-Variance-Build-Church.html
https://firstliberty.org/news/church-sues-california-town-for-denying-permit/
I'll go out on a limb here and express my bias that I have _Learned_ to assume:
TEXANS are frightening people.
Wow, are Texans really this stupid? Of course, they are.
It makes you wonder why anyone would want to visit, let alone live there.
For all the "land of the free" hoopla, Americans have never been welcoming to any group that organizes around principles which are 'different'. Citizens of my little nation have been subjected to ethnic cleansing in Georgia for the crime of having been there since before the Americans arrived, and before the British, French, and Spanish arrived. And, once 'relocated' to the Great American Desert our final bit of land was taken in order to make Oklahoma the great American bastion of 'freedom' where we were beaten for speaking our language after statehood. Good Luck to the Muslims of Texas - they will need it.
A hundred years ago, Klansmen were convinced, and doing their best to convince others, that the basement of every Catholic church was chock-a-block with guns just waiting for the Pope to give the signal to rise up, take over the country, and kill all the good, right-thinking Protestants. Sounds like their grandchildren and great-grandchildren in Texas are back at the same old lemonade stand, or never left it. Just about a different religion.
Why would anyone want to settle in Texas?
If the plan didn't include a gated compound, observation tower, and optional shooting platform, EPIC may want to add those for their own safety. Because let’s be honest, they won’t be safe, and Texas law enforcement is more likely to pour gas on the flames before they'd ever come to their rescue.
We have a development like this in Irving. Two walled neighborhoods next to a big mosque. All of the streets have Islamic names. So yes, you can buy a house there if you are not Muslim, but you won't. It's defacto segregation.
“It will be a gated, guarded compound, and our law enforcement would never be able to touch it,” one resident warned." That's bad.
But if Trump sends immigrants without due process to “a gated, guarded compound" in El Salvador that the American taxpayer is footing, and "our law enforcement would never be able to touch it,” that's 100% fine.
Today's episode of Knowledge Fight covers Tucker's interview with Andrew Isker, a right-wing pastor type who is running away from Minnesota because the state has declared war on Christians and he worries that teachers will try to turn his autistic son trans. So he is removing himself from the world to create a Christian refuge community in Tennessee with financial backing of rich Trump guy Mark Andreesen. I'm guessing all those Texas whiners wouldn't see the harm in this one.
Wonk sighting! Glad to know I'm not the only one
As a dedicated wonk, I shill for Knowledge Fight whenever I can. I found them through a comment somewhere, so hoping to steer others Dan and Jordan's way. Dan especially does some seriously good work.
As a Jew, I would have no problem having that development built near me. I try to imagine a company owned by Christians deciding to build a neighborhood near me. And building a church there as well. Could that actually happen in America? A Christian community with a church? Oh yeah, I guess it already has. If it’s good enough for the Christians, it’s good enough for the Muslims, or the Hindus or Buddhists or even people that don’t care.
These people in Texas are really showing their true colors. And they’re really reaching with all these investigations. I wish some of Trump’s land deals had been scrutinized more closely.
If I didn't know that it was real, I'd think that the idea of Kex Paxton "investigating" someone else's crimes was the start of a Stephen Colbert bit.
Florida is full of no-go zones and has been for years. The fact that they are mostly for wealthy white people and called "gated" "Retirement" etc makes them palatable for others. They are gated, they have security gates, they have codes, they have other protocols in place. They are enclaves where the mostly "christian" white brethren can cohabit and scream about all those "others".
I need a MAGA whisperer to explain why a mosque is terrible, but Trump and Kushner doing all kinds of deals with The Crown Prince is awesome. I think the obvious compromise that will work for everybody is if this Muslim development includes a Trump tower and a LIV tournament golf course.