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Susan Linehan's avatar

I'm actually not sure that the entire GOP house is "hostile." They seem mostly to be in fear of the MTGaetzes of the party, afraid of offending trump because he will rile the base against them. Reports are that there are enough votes to pass the Ukraine aid bill, which is why Johnson, the one most seriously in thrall to the reactionary rump, keeps stalling.

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

I'm in the crowd that thinks Johnson is stalling so the vote comes after any GOP primary in which one of his members would face a challenge, even if it was a write in challenge.

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Migs's avatar

I think he is stalling / not going to do it for the most obvious reason: he will lose his job AND he doesnтАЩt care very much. He has never voted to support aidтАжever

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R Mercer's avatar

If you ar enot part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Your personal hostility is not required for you to be effectively hostile--because if you are following the trumpisn line, for whatever reason, you ARE hostile.

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Susan Linehan's avatar

not sure I agree with you. If trump succumbed to one too many Whoppers, I don't think the cult would be easily transformed. There are GOP leaders who would continue to rile them up, particularly with immigration fears and other culture wars issues. But I do think some GOP congressmen would come out of the trumpian woodwork. They'd still be conservative, but I don't think reactionary.

I guess I was thinking of "hostile" in terms of personal hostility. There are better words to describe the GOP politicians enslavement to trump.

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R Mercer's avatar

Here is the thing, these people are enslaved to the MAGA movement, in the person of Donald Trump... but the operative thing here is that they are beholden to that movement, if they want to continue to hold office.

Because you have to win the primary and guess who votes most in it?

Trump is the visible expression of that movement, not the movement.

The death of Trump will not end this. It will shift the ground slightly--but the reality is that things will get MORE vicious after Trump is gone, not less, as people fight to take his place.

People think that defeating Trump or jailing Trump or Trump dying is going to "fix things. It isn't. It is bigger than him. He just happens to be the one currently riding the horse.

All of the things these people want are not going to suddenly change.

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Susan Linehan's avatar

I am definitely not saying that defeat or death of trump will 'fix things." We are burdened with MAGA for the rest of my lifetime. I am simply saying that if his actual threats are gone, some people in Congress may well be a little bit braver

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