I'm not telling him to "dictate," I'm talking about a roundtable meeting designating a task force to tackle an issue, all of which would have different methods of getting that done within each stakeholder's own territories, but you can certainly establish goals and crowd-source ideas that way and get movement at *some* level since you ca…
I'm not telling him to "dictate," I'm talking about a roundtable meeting designating a task force to tackle an issue, all of which would have different methods of getting that done within each stakeholder's own territories, but you can certainly establish goals and crowd-source ideas that way and get movement at *some* level since you can't get it nationally. And then when that method breeds out some successes you sell it to the broader public. "Look what we're doing in state/city ____, we could be getting this done at the national level if it weren't for GOP resistance" etc., etc. You hold the GOP's feet to the fire on the "politics of no" by showing the national voting public what can be done at the national level in the absence of stone-walling. Isn't that what the states being "the laboratories of democracy" supposed to be?
Again, I'll point to the GOP on abortion restrictions. Not every state has the same restrictions as if they were "dictated" by Trump or whoever, but you have the party acting in a form of unison at the state level there when a national ban isn't going to happen. The same could be done by blue governors/mayors on housing through a roundtable organized by the Biden WH (or Harris WH if she wins).
First you have to explain how this helps him. You keep pretending that if some blue states do something on some issue that somehow leads to political benefit to Biden. Please somehow connect those 2 thoughts.
Second, when has process ever been viewed as a political benefit? Having some meetings somewhere leads to what?
Third, if what you want is so popular why isn’t it already being done?
Fourth, your using abortion? How has this made republicans more popular? It’s literally the exact opposite of popularism.
Fifth, abortion is a national issue. You know this. It’s been a national issue because of the Supreme Court in the 70s. It has been ever since. Please show me this popular issue that has been at the national level that states could do?
I know of only one issue that even gets close. Gun control. Even that doesn’t get done locally because the sc keeps rejecting laws of blue states and republicans actively oppose it.
1st) It demonstrates leadership. It shows initiative in the face of a crisis. You have the press covering him listening and asking questions among a circle of couches or a large roundtable in the WH with governors and mayors seated there giving inputs, etc. You have him doing press briefings talking about the issues and the solutions that will be forthcoming at the state level. It shows the public that Biden--and the party more broadly--are taking the issue seriously and doing something about in the face of a congress that refuses to act. This is a lot like when Gov Abbott started taking the Texas border into his own hands when the federal government did too little on border security, but instead you have a president leading this initiative and a whole lot more than just one governor involved.
2nd) Operation Warp Speed was a process that had political benefit, and it's to this day credited as one of the only productive things that came out of the Trump admin.
3rd) Just because something is a good idea doesn't mean others have thought of it or acted on it.
4th) I'm using the *example* of abortion as a unified state-level issue in absence of federal potential, I didn't say it was a popular example. You can do popular things using a model that was previously used to do unpopular things. If you want the inverse example then look at blue states passing abortion protection legislature that's ongoing as we speak. Look at the state-level marriage equality acts that were passed before the Obergfeld decision came down (in fact, these state-level passages forced that SCOTUS to take on the issue nationally in the absence of congress passing a national marriage equality bill).
5th) Some issues are national but cannot be passed as such, and in the absence of national possibilities states act. Again, see examples like marriage equality, slavery/abolition, segregation/desegregation, abortion access/restriction, etc. A lot of the time stuff has to happen at the state level en masse before it is forced to be addressed nationally.
1. That is some of the stupidest shit I have read and you know it. You’re just waving your hand that some council meeting makes him look like a leader. Come on Travis. You’re digging this grave deeper.
2. Operation warp speed? That wasn’t a fucking process. That was a program that passed in Congress that allocated 10b dollars to make a vaccine. Come on Travis just say you were wrong. Operation warp speed was a fucking federal legislation. You know, went through the congress and signed by the president. It’s literally the exact opposite of what you are arguing.
3. Also just a completely stupid argument. I actually have no idea what you are talking about. Now all of a sudden Biden is not the president but the governor of washington? Come on man. You are wrong. If your ideas were popular they would happen. It’s so fucking annoying. People don’t raise taxes like you want not because “oh I never thought about that” it’s because it isn’t popular. What you want Travis doesn’t happen because it’s the exact fucking opposite of popular.
4. Ahh an example that is exact oppositie of popularism to make a point of popularism. Got it. Makes a ton of sense.
I find a ton of what you write really interesting. I find that you do have a lot of good ideas. However this exchange off the rocker dumb. You just won’t admit which is maddening. You just keep moving goalposts.
Finally Travis the reason the things you want done are not done is because what you want isn’t popular. I’m sorry what you want isn’t popularism. I don’t get how you haven’t realized it yet.
I'm not telling him to "dictate," I'm talking about a roundtable meeting designating a task force to tackle an issue, all of which would have different methods of getting that done within each stakeholder's own territories, but you can certainly establish goals and crowd-source ideas that way and get movement at *some* level since you can't get it nationally. And then when that method breeds out some successes you sell it to the broader public. "Look what we're doing in state/city ____, we could be getting this done at the national level if it weren't for GOP resistance" etc., etc. You hold the GOP's feet to the fire on the "politics of no" by showing the national voting public what can be done at the national level in the absence of stone-walling. Isn't that what the states being "the laboratories of democracy" supposed to be?
Again, I'll point to the GOP on abortion restrictions. Not every state has the same restrictions as if they were "dictated" by Trump or whoever, but you have the party acting in a form of unison at the state level there when a national ban isn't going to happen. The same could be done by blue governors/mayors on housing through a roundtable organized by the Biden WH (or Harris WH if she wins).
First you have to explain how this helps him. You keep pretending that if some blue states do something on some issue that somehow leads to political benefit to Biden. Please somehow connect those 2 thoughts.
Second, when has process ever been viewed as a political benefit? Having some meetings somewhere leads to what?
Third, if what you want is so popular why isn’t it already being done?
Fourth, your using abortion? How has this made republicans more popular? It’s literally the exact opposite of popularism.
Fifth, abortion is a national issue. You know this. It’s been a national issue because of the Supreme Court in the 70s. It has been ever since. Please show me this popular issue that has been at the national level that states could do?
I know of only one issue that even gets close. Gun control. Even that doesn’t get done locally because the sc keeps rejecting laws of blue states and republicans actively oppose it.
1st) It demonstrates leadership. It shows initiative in the face of a crisis. You have the press covering him listening and asking questions among a circle of couches or a large roundtable in the WH with governors and mayors seated there giving inputs, etc. You have him doing press briefings talking about the issues and the solutions that will be forthcoming at the state level. It shows the public that Biden--and the party more broadly--are taking the issue seriously and doing something about in the face of a congress that refuses to act. This is a lot like when Gov Abbott started taking the Texas border into his own hands when the federal government did too little on border security, but instead you have a president leading this initiative and a whole lot more than just one governor involved.
2nd) Operation Warp Speed was a process that had political benefit, and it's to this day credited as one of the only productive things that came out of the Trump admin.
3rd) Just because something is a good idea doesn't mean others have thought of it or acted on it.
4th) I'm using the *example* of abortion as a unified state-level issue in absence of federal potential, I didn't say it was a popular example. You can do popular things using a model that was previously used to do unpopular things. If you want the inverse example then look at blue states passing abortion protection legislature that's ongoing as we speak. Look at the state-level marriage equality acts that were passed before the Obergfeld decision came down (in fact, these state-level passages forced that SCOTUS to take on the issue nationally in the absence of congress passing a national marriage equality bill).
5th) Some issues are national but cannot be passed as such, and in the absence of national possibilities states act. Again, see examples like marriage equality, slavery/abolition, segregation/desegregation, abortion access/restriction, etc. A lot of the time stuff has to happen at the state level en masse before it is forced to be addressed nationally.
1. That is some of the stupidest shit I have read and you know it. You’re just waving your hand that some council meeting makes him look like a leader. Come on Travis. You’re digging this grave deeper.
2. Operation warp speed? That wasn’t a fucking process. That was a program that passed in Congress that allocated 10b dollars to make a vaccine. Come on Travis just say you were wrong. Operation warp speed was a fucking federal legislation. You know, went through the congress and signed by the president. It’s literally the exact opposite of what you are arguing.
3. Also just a completely stupid argument. I actually have no idea what you are talking about. Now all of a sudden Biden is not the president but the governor of washington? Come on man. You are wrong. If your ideas were popular they would happen. It’s so fucking annoying. People don’t raise taxes like you want not because “oh I never thought about that” it’s because it isn’t popular. What you want Travis doesn’t happen because it’s the exact fucking opposite of popular.
4. Ahh an example that is exact oppositie of popularism to make a point of popularism. Got it. Makes a ton of sense.
I find a ton of what you write really interesting. I find that you do have a lot of good ideas. However this exchange off the rocker dumb. You just won’t admit which is maddening. You just keep moving goalposts.
Finally Travis the reason the things you want done are not done is because what you want isn’t popular. I’m sorry what you want isn’t popularism. I don’t get how you haven’t realized it yet.