If the Russians had killed 30,000 Ukrainians in bombing campaigns and leveled Kiev, Claiming to be aiming at Ukrainian troops in underground tunnels, everyone would be calling it genocide.
And, you are correc. By the definition I am proposing all sides committed genocide during WWII.
BTW, the US used one 2000 lb bomb in their urban campaign in Fallujah in Iraq. How many 2000 pound bombs have the Israeli troops precision targeted the civilians of Gaza with? Because Jill Biden didn't like that, now the IDF has to use 500 pound bombs. If a 500 pound bomb dropped on your neighborhood, would you feel it was precisely targeted?
"And, you are correc. By the definition I am proposing all sides committed genocide during WWII." That cheapens the word. There is a large difference between indiscriminate bombing and the targeted killing of members of an ethnic/racial/religious group with the intent to annihilate the group. So for example, the slaughter of Tutsis by the Hutu in Rwanda was an actual genocide. The targeted killing of Jews in WWII was a genocide. The blitzkrieg of France by Hitler was NOT a genocide. The Russians war crimes in Ukraine do not necessarily constitute a genocide. Genocide is not about waging a war (even a war of conquest) where a disproportionate number of civilians are killed. It's not even about war crimes. It can still be bad and yet not fall under the term "genocide". It's like when the Bush II administration was calling everything 'terrorism'. Or when anti-abortion organizations call abortion a 'holocaust'. It's important to keep definitions rigorous rather than misuse a term just to add impact.
So, you are trying to excuse one evil by saying another one is worse. I'd be happy to give this behavior a new name as long as it is recognized and punished as a war crime.
"So, you are trying to excuse one evil by saying another one is worse". I did not say or imply anything of the sort. And if you read what I wrote carefully, you know that I think things can be bad without being genocide. War crimes are ALREADY prosecuted without being classified as genocide. Slobodan Milosevitch is one example. In fact, the international criminal court already makes the distinction https://www.government.nl/topics/international-peace-and-security/international-legal-order/the-international-criminal-court-icc
Well, I hope the pressure is kept on Israel until some of its leaders are successfully prosecuted for war crimes. Israelis have also committed an untold number of crimes on the West Bank.
On one thing we can absolutely agree: Those Israeli criminals in the West Bank need to have the book thown at them, and hard. And I also hold responsible the right wing political leaders who gave a wink and nod permission structure for it. In fact, Netanyahu is the Israeli Donald Trump: It's not clear he is actually trying to win the war or come to a practical agreement. If the war ended, there would be elections and he'd lose. That would mean he'd have to face criminal prosecution for existing cases.
The US dropped over 5,000 2,000 lb bombs in just the early stages f the Iraq war. They dropped one 20,000 lb bomb that was called a bunker buster. It's horrible, but your enthusiasm got away from the facts to heighten the rhetoric on this one. And it's not important, it's only semantics, but if you term every instance of mass killings in extended wars genocide, then the term has no definition other than mass casualties. Genocide is usually used to imply the intent of completely stamping out a given nationality or race or culture using violence, indiscriminately, not even bothering to warn the population of an impending bombing campaign first, as little good that that does.
If the Russians had killed 30,000 Ukrainians in bombing campaigns and leveled Kiev, Claiming to be aiming at Ukrainian troops in underground tunnels, everyone would be calling it genocide.
And, you are correc. By the definition I am proposing all sides committed genocide during WWII.
BTW, the US used one 2000 lb bomb in their urban campaign in Fallujah in Iraq. How many 2000 pound bombs have the Israeli troops precision targeted the civilians of Gaza with? Because Jill Biden didn't like that, now the IDF has to use 500 pound bombs. If a 500 pound bomb dropped on your neighborhood, would you feel it was precisely targeted?
"And, you are correc. By the definition I am proposing all sides committed genocide during WWII." That cheapens the word. There is a large difference between indiscriminate bombing and the targeted killing of members of an ethnic/racial/religious group with the intent to annihilate the group. So for example, the slaughter of Tutsis by the Hutu in Rwanda was an actual genocide. The targeted killing of Jews in WWII was a genocide. The blitzkrieg of France by Hitler was NOT a genocide. The Russians war crimes in Ukraine do not necessarily constitute a genocide. Genocide is not about waging a war (even a war of conquest) where a disproportionate number of civilians are killed. It's not even about war crimes. It can still be bad and yet not fall under the term "genocide". It's like when the Bush II administration was calling everything 'terrorism'. Or when anti-abortion organizations call abortion a 'holocaust'. It's important to keep definitions rigorous rather than misuse a term just to add impact.
So, you are trying to excuse one evil by saying another one is worse. I'd be happy to give this behavior a new name as long as it is recognized and punished as a war crime.
"So, you are trying to excuse one evil by saying another one is worse". I did not say or imply anything of the sort. And if you read what I wrote carefully, you know that I think things can be bad without being genocide. War crimes are ALREADY prosecuted without being classified as genocide. Slobodan Milosevitch is one example. In fact, the international criminal court already makes the distinction https://www.government.nl/topics/international-peace-and-security/international-legal-order/the-international-criminal-court-icc
Well, I hope the pressure is kept on Israel until some of its leaders are successfully prosecuted for war crimes. Israelis have also committed an untold number of crimes on the West Bank.
On one thing we can absolutely agree: Those Israeli criminals in the West Bank need to have the book thown at them, and hard. And I also hold responsible the right wing political leaders who gave a wink and nod permission structure for it. In fact, Netanyahu is the Israeli Donald Trump: It's not clear he is actually trying to win the war or come to a practical agreement. If the war ended, there would be elections and he'd lose. That would mean he'd have to face criminal prosecution for existing cases.
I agree regarding the West Bank, but that does not equate to Gaza war crimes.
The US dropped over 5,000 2,000 lb bombs in just the early stages f the Iraq war. They dropped one 20,000 lb bomb that was called a bunker buster. It's horrible, but your enthusiasm got away from the facts to heighten the rhetoric on this one. And it's not important, it's only semantics, but if you term every instance of mass killings in extended wars genocide, then the term has no definition other than mass casualties. Genocide is usually used to imply the intent of completely stamping out a given nationality or race or culture using violence, indiscriminately, not even bothering to warn the population of an impending bombing campaign first, as little good that that does.
I forgot to add the detail that this was in the US urban campaign in Fallujah.