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Don Gates's avatar

Amanda's piece is lengthy, but it's worth it just so you can find out how Pence manages to convince himself the Lincoln Project was partially responsible for J6.

The details on how refusal to enforce laws led to the environment in which the Colorado Springs shooting could happen are fairly maddening. I'm totally numb to the frequency of these events at this point. I live near Raleigh, where we had some teenager (15-16yo) about a month ago just go wandering along a neighborhood trail shooting at people with a long gun. Killed five people. The story faded into the memory hole without anyone ever even explaining to the public how a teenager got his hands on one of these weapons. This is how we live our lives now.

I am thoroughly delighted to see how Richard Fierro beat the shit out of the shooter. He left him incapacitated, and continued beating the shit out of him. The drag queen stomping him with his stiletto made for a nice exclamation point.

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Jane in NC's avatar

Mike Pence is no hero. Period. He did the bare minimum that any sitting VP should have done - certify the electoral college vote. That he did so under enormous pressure and with Trumpistas trying to kill him that day is to his credit - and we're all grateful for it. But we shouldn't lose sight that all he did was what every previous Vice President did.

His attempt to blame the Lincoln Project for J6, his continued failure to testify before the J6 Committee - and many of his underlings have done, and his continued failure to denounce Trump and the cult he created shows him to be a weak, pathetic, potted plant of a man.

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Suzanne Clancy's avatar

Reading through his own words in Amanda's piece, he sounds exactly like a middle manager in a company run by crazies who goes with the flow to keep the paychecks coming. He was the COO, and should have made it his business to find out just what was being planned and acted to avert it. Failing that, he should have testified in full to the J6 committee and not saved it in hopes of making a profit off the book and preserving his own political ambitions. Cheap in every way.

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Mingo's avatar

Not very Christian!

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Suzanne Clancy's avatar

Yeah, well these days Christian seems to be pretty much synonymous with hypocrite. History will not view Pence kindly. At this point, Giancarlo the pool boy appears more courageous.

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suzc's avatar

And his latest "A VP never has to talk to Congress if he doesn't want to" is equally disgusting.

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Jane in NC's avatar

We've had sitting presidents testify before Congress, e.g., Gerald Ford explaining his pardon of Nixon. Pence is being an ass.

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Alondra's avatar

The man and the fly: a modern allegory

During the time

of COVID

a fly

landed

on the

snowy white

head

of

Mike Pence

on tv

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Don Gates's avatar

I would argue bucking over 200 years of precedent, on live tv before the nation and the world, would have required more courage, certainly more chutzpah, than his ultimately following the law. It's very good that he did it, but I don't think he should get any medals for it.

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Jane in NC's avatar

Hear! Hear!

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suzc's avatar

I also think his refusal to get in the car was because he knew TFG was after him and he feared the SS driver would dump him into the mob. I don't think it was a determination to do the right thing that kept him there as much as immobilizing fear.

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SandyG's avatar

If he would testify, he could be asked why.

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Don Gates's avatar

And conveniently all the SS texts were erased.

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SandyG's avatar

Why isn't the Jan 6th Committee investigating this?

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Liberal Cynic's avatar

I don't really care what Pence has to say about anything until he says it before a congressional committee under oath.

But thoughts and prayers to Amanda for subjecting herself to it so we don't have to.

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SandyG's avatar

Completely agree.

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orbit's avatar

Pence's book is his confession to his God.

I hope Pence's penance is eternal anguish.

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Helen's avatar

Let’s not forget that Mr. Good Christian is a homophobe extraordinaire.

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Jane in NC's avatar

Pence seems to forget that confession is only the first step to forgiveness. The next are repentance, reparation and a sincere vow never to do it again.

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