I beg to differ. Antisemitism is not only occurring on the left on college campuses and Gen Z social media, but I see it influencing my own teenagers. My wife's 1st cousin is a professor at Oxford University who specializes in Chinese history. When I first posted my support for Israel, shortly after the 10/7 attacks, my wife's cousin bla…
I beg to differ. Antisemitism is not only occurring on the left on college campuses and Gen Z social media, but I see it influencing my own teenagers. My wife's 1st cousin is a professor at Oxford University who specializes in Chinese history. When I first posted my support for Israel, shortly after the 10/7 attacks, my wife's cousin blasted my post, and went on about Israeli occupation of Palestine. I was completely taken aback, as I've enjoyed our conversations over the years and his otherwise thoughtful dialogue. As for my three teenagers in the home, all of them receive a continuous barrage of antisemitic messaging in their progressive Gen Z social media feeds. On Sunday, we watched "Schindler's List" as a family, to help our kids understand what Jews have been up against. I have taken significant time giving them a full understanding of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. When the false flag "Israeli" bombing of the hospital in Gaza happened, it took days before we could resume the conversation, because the accusation convinced my own kids that Israel was indeed a war-mongering occupier.
Israel IS, in some ways, a warmongering occupier. But they also have a right to defend themselves. The issue is complex, and you, like Charlie and so many others, seek to reduce it to something simple. Good vs. evil. It’s this ridiculous idea that if someone is going to be in the right on an issue then they must be 100% pure in all ways. It’s the same trap a minority of far left students (and it IS a minority) are falling into.
The college students who support Palestine and oppose Israeli colonialism decided that meant that nothing any Palestinian does to Israel is wrong, no matter what. That, of course, is entirely incorrect. Hamas’ attack on 10/7 was an atrocity that is not excused by any wrongdoing on the part of Israel. Targeting civilians in terrorist attacks, especially brutal ones like these, is never justified.
Same with Charlie and others on this site, Mona in particular, and the same with your comment. Israel has every right to defend itself. That doesn’t excuse Netanyahu’s government openly supporting settlements in the West Bank and allowing Israeli settlers to murder Palestinians there indiscriminately. It doesn’t excuse high ranking government officials from making statements that amount to calls for genocide against the Palestinians. It doesn’t excuse cutting off water for 1 million children living in Gaza.
People are also conflating Israel’s right to self defense with some sort of blanket right to destroy Gaza regardless of the number of civilian casualties. Israel has no strategy right now other than vengeance. Killing civilians is sometimes unavoidable in war, and international law permits it when it cannot be avoided and the value of the military objective justifies it. But for that to be the case, Israel has to have a plan for its operation that justifies all of the civilian suffering it will inflict. It’s very clear they have no such plan, which is why President Biden has been pushing them to stop and think things through.
Biden seems to be the only person in this entire mess who realizes there are two sides, neither of which is wholly innocent, and that you can evaluate the situation on its merits without erasing the facts.
I think you are right. We have a huge problem accepting shades of gray. Is Israel perfect? Of course not. Do they have a right to react collectively when their children are murdered? I think so, withing the norms they constructed for themselves and internationally recognized standards. Is it ok for them to be furious right now? Yes! But as we taught my daughter via Daniel Tiger, doing things when you are upset can lead to bad results. It's best to calm down then react. Based on Israel pausing on their efforts to clear Gaza, it seems like that's what they are doing.
When we try to distill everything into good/evil, you miss important nuance. George Washington can be both a great statesman and a terrible slave owner. I can be a good dad and bad at being a spouse (although I work hard to be good at both!). We can be bother thoughtful and rash in different circumstances.
I will relentlessly reference Crimean Tatars and their near 70 years of peaceful protest in response to being ethnically cleansed from Crimes by the Soviets. By not getting violent, they have faced setbacks like the annexation. However they maintain the moral high ground. I think a lot of Palestinians try to do this.
But the point of an event like 10/7 is to provoke a rash response. So far, Israel seems to be trying not to do badly. This is good for humanity.
Wow. You assume and project a whole lot. Nowhere in my comment did I support Israeli occupations of the West Bank. Nowhere in my comments did I defend Netanyahu’s government. Quite the contrary, I have used the example of Netanyahu’s far right governing coalition to teach my family about the geopolitical consequences of electing far-right people in government (and what it could mean if MAGA Trumpism returns to power in 2024). AND - just as we have significant political differences here in the US, the same goes for Israelis. Most Israelis DO NOT support West Bank Israeli settlements. The people who were attacked in the kibbutzim near the Gaza Strip weren’t West Bank occupiers. That would be as absurd as China bombing San Francisco in retaliation of a Trump 2024 re-election. One has nothing to to do with the other.
I was going off of your comment, which spends a lot of time being shocked and horrified that your kids might hear something anti-Israel (which you seem to equate with being anti-Semitic) or that someone might push back on your support for Israel, and no time at all saying anything about the plight of the Palestinians.
However, I never said you supported Netanyahu or settlements. I referenced him as an example of Israel behaving badly. Far too much of the discussion, even on normally good sites like The Bulwark, has been reduced these days to either “Israel has the right to defend itself and if you criticize how it does so then you’re an anti-Semite” or “Palestinians are oppressed, so even the slaughter of Israeli children is OK because they’re settlers, not civilians.” Neither of those positions is acceptable, but people only seem upset about the latter, not the former.
I respect your position on the issue and your informed perspective. But in part I'd say that you are making my point for me. Charlie makes it sound like college campuses are THE source of (dis)information for a generation of young people without adequately providing other examples or sufficient context for their choices. As we both note, they get their information in various ways, from various origins. College is just one of them, and the ongoing implication that radical faculty and administration are behind it simply isn't the case so much as the exception when one looks at the totality of the picture.
One certainly can debate whether young people adequately engage in critical thinking and reasoned drawing of conclusions. There is a discussion to be had there. But for my part at least I'm getting tired of the constant defending of our academic turf from people who aren't necessary qualified to attack it. I'd say more damage has been done over the years by right-wing talk radio hosts who have willingly carried water for some pretty bad actors and left the rest of us to live with the results and clean up the messes. But then perhaps I'm not engaging in sufficient critical thinking and have an agenda of my own on that. As always, these things are two-way streets if one insists on going down them.
I have a counterproposal, Charlie. Show us precise quotes where you take a pro-higher ed position on what is done right in that environment and by those instructors and administrators who are doing their work in good faith and very well so, and by the many student groups and movements that focus on doing good work for others and both giving back and paying forward, often quietly and without seeking to attract attention. The loudest voices aren't the only ones that should be reported, especially when they often are the smallest in size.
Since the roads leading to Rome on all this are your original posts, we're looking to you for balance in this area and to paint an accurate portrayal of the environment, not merely a subtle, becoming daily notice that there are some bad actors at a few specifics campuses, with the inference that if it is happening there, it is happening elsewhere too. Better still, bring the goods and show us evidence of widespread abuse of authority and a clear majority of students who are anti-democratic agitators and revolutionaries. I'm not seeing it, thus I call BS on the bigger picture point. It's not hard to read the anti-higher ed bias into your wording when it's been cultivated for so many years, in your books (Fail U.: The False Promise of Higher Education), WTMJ radio commentaries over time, and in these many pages. You've given us a body of work there to draw upon. So we do. It's fine to call out those bad actors where they exist. And, yes, they do, in some places and to some degree. No such environment is 100 percent pure. But let's not lose sight of the rule in calling attention to the exception. That's all I ask. The comments here clearly indicate that there are good points on both sides of the equation. So let's have that discussion instead. We could use your support when there is a positive message to share.
Nor is he responding to mine. Perhaps if I had enough time to comb through every column he has written, the transcripts (if they exist) of every radio broadcast in which he opined on the topic and made snarky overtures with sympathetic listeners, and all the passages in the cited book, among others. I don't. That doesn't negate the impressions received over time and a multitude of statements that take a broadly negative view of the topic. I'm not the only one here who is pointing that out. He might want to consider that input, from everyday readers. I suspect our time would be better spent actually addressing the topic than playing Gotcha games.
Do tell us exactly where it is "all the rage," because I'm in the Humanities environment and am hearing exactly nobody talking about it on any sort of a regular or sustained basis. Granted my own experience is not necessarily that of everyone else. But if it truly were such a heightened presence in so many departments and with so many faculty, administrators, and students, we'd likely have more precise and visible examples of its presence. If you have evidence that CRT is a guiding principle among more than a small, distinct minority of those people, please share it. I'd welcome the opportunity to see it. The rest of us are too busy just trying to keep up with our designated work load, which grows each year as we consistently are asked to do more with less.
Did you get millions to study your area like Ibrahim X? Have your ideas been spread to many schools via various “education experts?” Did you sell millions of books like Robin DiAngelo?
Yeah…CRT is just some back water idea…not popular at all.
Have you ever worked on a college campus and seen with your own eyes what goes on there? Or do you let others do your thinking for you?
True story (not that I make any of them up -- I don't need to). Today when I walked into class, the first student I saw was wearing a hoodie with something written on the front. It was not "Liberate Palestine." It was not "CRT Forever." It was ... "Celibacy Rocks." Yeah, really. That's where they are at more than CRT where I work. What else they wear, and talk about, is usually the Green Bay Packers, and how they suck without Aaron Rodgers and what a diva act he had become. If you can find CRT in there somewhere, let us know. That's in addition to the chalk writing on the sidewalks, offering free food at a Christian mission near campus and urging people to go to Homecoming activities. Sorry, no CRT there either. The point is that they have their own agenda and really don't give a sh.. what their professors think or say or do. And most professors who want to keep their paychecks coming at a state school know to steer clear of such things when it is too easily exploited by those who oppose them and, as noted, not what the students want to hear in the first place. We have much more in common with the Brady Bunch than with Berkeley. Are there some individual exceptions? Sure. Like anywhere else, some people have trouble putting their personal passions aside. But are they a clear majority or minority presence? Figure that out for yourself. It's not hard to do if you keep an open mind. On my campus, if you are looking for CRT evidence, you will have a long search ahead of you. Plan to budget extra time for that.
I don't disagree that it's a complex issue and that there are 2 sides to be considered here, but it is very concerning how quickly/easily people supporting the Palestinians seem to be able to jump over the atrocities in order to get in the lane they wanted to be in the first place. Jews = Bad
Honestly...it's a very similar mindset to the MAGAs...where they already have the answer in their head and there's just nothing that's going to dissuade them that their side is right and righteous. Let's go back and talk about Hillary Clinton instead of talking about Trump...because the Clinton's are bad people justifying everything Trump does.
Where's the outrage from them for Hamas holding innocent civilians hostage, etc? Again....that's very MAGA like...in that the only important atrocities occur at the hands of their perceived enemies.
I know this response is very high level and broad brush, but it reflects how I'm seeing things.
I agree that social media is a huge influence here. Our younger kid, a college freshman this year with a general (and unusual for our family) lack of interest in politics, has jumped on the Israel-brought-this-on-themselves argument. Not at college. On TikTok.
I appreciate you trying to educate your children on how Jewish people have suffered from prejudice and hate by watching Schindler's List (GREAT movie). Another one I recommend is "Exodus" about the creation of Israel after WWII and trying to help Jews escape out of Europe (available on You Tube for free). Based on a book by Leon Uris.
Now, what have they learned about the Palestinians?
Thank you for the reference... and please don't patronize me about what "they learned" about the Palestinians. I gave them the full picture, to include talking about the West Bank Israeli settlements, the differences between Hamas and the PLO, the first and second antifadas, 1947/48, 1967, 1973 etc etc etc. I'm a retired military intelligence officer, and deeply informed about the history of the Middle East.
That was rude and unnecessary. In addition, the Middle East has never been stable. The land now called Israel is on the ancient spice route which brought waves and waves of people through the area over a thousand years. It has been dominated by all sorts of groups over the years including Persians, Romans, Ottomans, British to name a few.
Your thoughtfulness in providing information to your children is impressive. Do you have reading recommendations for this old person? I grew up with WW2 vets in the family including one who participated in the liberation of Dachau.
Schindler’s List, enjoyed the novel, never saw the film (I hear it’s excellent.) I’m sorry if you sent your kids off to college and they came back with different opinions then yours. Obviously their wrong and you’re right (as was my father about us getting into Vietnam.) Maybe next movie night try one of the director’s other films, Raiders of the Lost Ark is a crowd pleaser.
I beg to differ. Antisemitism is not only occurring on the left on college campuses and Gen Z social media, but I see it influencing my own teenagers. My wife's 1st cousin is a professor at Oxford University who specializes in Chinese history. When I first posted my support for Israel, shortly after the 10/7 attacks, my wife's cousin blasted my post, and went on about Israeli occupation of Palestine. I was completely taken aback, as I've enjoyed our conversations over the years and his otherwise thoughtful dialogue. As for my three teenagers in the home, all of them receive a continuous barrage of antisemitic messaging in their progressive Gen Z social media feeds. On Sunday, we watched "Schindler's List" as a family, to help our kids understand what Jews have been up against. I have taken significant time giving them a full understanding of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. When the false flag "Israeli" bombing of the hospital in Gaza happened, it took days before we could resume the conversation, because the accusation convinced my own kids that Israel was indeed a war-mongering occupier.
Israel IS, in some ways, a warmongering occupier. But they also have a right to defend themselves. The issue is complex, and you, like Charlie and so many others, seek to reduce it to something simple. Good vs. evil. It’s this ridiculous idea that if someone is going to be in the right on an issue then they must be 100% pure in all ways. It’s the same trap a minority of far left students (and it IS a minority) are falling into.
The college students who support Palestine and oppose Israeli colonialism decided that meant that nothing any Palestinian does to Israel is wrong, no matter what. That, of course, is entirely incorrect. Hamas’ attack on 10/7 was an atrocity that is not excused by any wrongdoing on the part of Israel. Targeting civilians in terrorist attacks, especially brutal ones like these, is never justified.
Same with Charlie and others on this site, Mona in particular, and the same with your comment. Israel has every right to defend itself. That doesn’t excuse Netanyahu’s government openly supporting settlements in the West Bank and allowing Israeli settlers to murder Palestinians there indiscriminately. It doesn’t excuse high ranking government officials from making statements that amount to calls for genocide against the Palestinians. It doesn’t excuse cutting off water for 1 million children living in Gaza.
People are also conflating Israel’s right to self defense with some sort of blanket right to destroy Gaza regardless of the number of civilian casualties. Israel has no strategy right now other than vengeance. Killing civilians is sometimes unavoidable in war, and international law permits it when it cannot be avoided and the value of the military objective justifies it. But for that to be the case, Israel has to have a plan for its operation that justifies all of the civilian suffering it will inflict. It’s very clear they have no such plan, which is why President Biden has been pushing them to stop and think things through.
Biden seems to be the only person in this entire mess who realizes there are two sides, neither of which is wholly innocent, and that you can evaluate the situation on its merits without erasing the facts.
I think you are right. We have a huge problem accepting shades of gray. Is Israel perfect? Of course not. Do they have a right to react collectively when their children are murdered? I think so, withing the norms they constructed for themselves and internationally recognized standards. Is it ok for them to be furious right now? Yes! But as we taught my daughter via Daniel Tiger, doing things when you are upset can lead to bad results. It's best to calm down then react. Based on Israel pausing on their efforts to clear Gaza, it seems like that's what they are doing.
When we try to distill everything into good/evil, you miss important nuance. George Washington can be both a great statesman and a terrible slave owner. I can be a good dad and bad at being a spouse (although I work hard to be good at both!). We can be bother thoughtful and rash in different circumstances.
I will relentlessly reference Crimean Tatars and their near 70 years of peaceful protest in response to being ethnically cleansed from Crimes by the Soviets. By not getting violent, they have faced setbacks like the annexation. However they maintain the moral high ground. I think a lot of Palestinians try to do this.
But the point of an event like 10/7 is to provoke a rash response. So far, Israel seems to be trying not to do badly. This is good for humanity.
Wow. You assume and project a whole lot. Nowhere in my comment did I support Israeli occupations of the West Bank. Nowhere in my comments did I defend Netanyahu’s government. Quite the contrary, I have used the example of Netanyahu’s far right governing coalition to teach my family about the geopolitical consequences of electing far-right people in government (and what it could mean if MAGA Trumpism returns to power in 2024). AND - just as we have significant political differences here in the US, the same goes for Israelis. Most Israelis DO NOT support West Bank Israeli settlements. The people who were attacked in the kibbutzim near the Gaza Strip weren’t West Bank occupiers. That would be as absurd as China bombing San Francisco in retaliation of a Trump 2024 re-election. One has nothing to to do with the other.
I was going off of your comment, which spends a lot of time being shocked and horrified that your kids might hear something anti-Israel (which you seem to equate with being anti-Semitic) or that someone might push back on your support for Israel, and no time at all saying anything about the plight of the Palestinians.
However, I never said you supported Netanyahu or settlements. I referenced him as an example of Israel behaving badly. Far too much of the discussion, even on normally good sites like The Bulwark, has been reduced these days to either “Israel has the right to defend itself and if you criticize how it does so then you’re an anti-Semite” or “Palestinians are oppressed, so even the slaughter of Israeli children is OK because they’re settlers, not civilians.” Neither of those positions is acceptable, but people only seem upset about the latter, not the former.
I respect your position on the issue and your informed perspective. But in part I'd say that you are making my point for me. Charlie makes it sound like college campuses are THE source of (dis)information for a generation of young people without adequately providing other examples or sufficient context for their choices. As we both note, they get their information in various ways, from various origins. College is just one of them, and the ongoing implication that radical faculty and administration are behind it simply isn't the case so much as the exception when one looks at the totality of the picture.
One certainly can debate whether young people adequately engage in critical thinking and reasoned drawing of conclusions. There is a discussion to be had there. But for my part at least I'm getting tired of the constant defending of our academic turf from people who aren't necessary qualified to attack it. I'd say more damage has been done over the years by right-wing talk radio hosts who have willingly carried water for some pretty bad actors and left the rest of us to live with the results and clean up the messes. But then perhaps I'm not engaging in sufficient critical thinking and have an agenda of my own on that. As always, these things are two-way streets if one insists on going down them.
Where do I do this? Pls provide precise quote.
I have a counterproposal, Charlie. Show us precise quotes where you take a pro-higher ed position on what is done right in that environment and by those instructors and administrators who are doing their work in good faith and very well so, and by the many student groups and movements that focus on doing good work for others and both giving back and paying forward, often quietly and without seeking to attract attention. The loudest voices aren't the only ones that should be reported, especially when they often are the smallest in size.
Since the roads leading to Rome on all this are your original posts, we're looking to you for balance in this area and to paint an accurate portrayal of the environment, not merely a subtle, becoming daily notice that there are some bad actors at a few specifics campuses, with the inference that if it is happening there, it is happening elsewhere too. Better still, bring the goods and show us evidence of widespread abuse of authority and a clear majority of students who are anti-democratic agitators and revolutionaries. I'm not seeing it, thus I call BS on the bigger picture point. It's not hard to read the anti-higher ed bias into your wording when it's been cultivated for so many years, in your books (Fail U.: The False Promise of Higher Education), WTMJ radio commentaries over time, and in these many pages. You've given us a body of work there to draw upon. So we do. It's fine to call out those bad actors where they exist. And, yes, they do, in some places and to some degree. No such environment is 100 percent pure. But let's not lose sight of the rule in calling attention to the exception. That's all I ask. The comments here clearly indicate that there are good points on both sides of the equation. So let's have that discussion instead. We could use your support when there is a positive message to share.
In all due respect, you didn’t answer his question.
Nor is he responding to mine. Perhaps if I had enough time to comb through every column he has written, the transcripts (if they exist) of every radio broadcast in which he opined on the topic and made snarky overtures with sympathetic listeners, and all the passages in the cited book, among others. I don't. That doesn't negate the impressions received over time and a multitude of statements that take a broadly negative view of the topic. I'm not the only one here who is pointing that out. He might want to consider that input, from everyday readers. I suspect our time would be better spent actually addressing the topic than playing Gotcha games.
Where do you think the whole "oppressed/oppressor" language comes from?
It comes straight from CRT. Which is all the rage in university humanities these days.
Do tell us exactly where it is "all the rage," because I'm in the Humanities environment and am hearing exactly nobody talking about it on any sort of a regular or sustained basis. Granted my own experience is not necessarily that of everyone else. But if it truly were such a heightened presence in so many departments and with so many faculty, administrators, and students, we'd likely have more precise and visible examples of its presence. If you have evidence that CRT is a guiding principle among more than a small, distinct minority of those people, please share it. I'd welcome the opportunity to see it. The rest of us are too busy just trying to keep up with our designated work load, which grows each year as we consistently are asked to do more with less.
Did you get millions to study your area like Ibrahim X? Have your ideas been spread to many schools via various “education experts?” Did you sell millions of books like Robin DiAngelo?
Yeah…CRT is just some back water idea…not popular at all.
Have you ever worked on a college campus and seen with your own eyes what goes on there? Or do you let others do your thinking for you?
True story (not that I make any of them up -- I don't need to). Today when I walked into class, the first student I saw was wearing a hoodie with something written on the front. It was not "Liberate Palestine." It was not "CRT Forever." It was ... "Celibacy Rocks." Yeah, really. That's where they are at more than CRT where I work. What else they wear, and talk about, is usually the Green Bay Packers, and how they suck without Aaron Rodgers and what a diva act he had become. If you can find CRT in there somewhere, let us know. That's in addition to the chalk writing on the sidewalks, offering free food at a Christian mission near campus and urging people to go to Homecoming activities. Sorry, no CRT there either. The point is that they have their own agenda and really don't give a sh.. what their professors think or say or do. And most professors who want to keep their paychecks coming at a state school know to steer clear of such things when it is too easily exploited by those who oppose them and, as noted, not what the students want to hear in the first place. We have much more in common with the Brady Bunch than with Berkeley. Are there some individual exceptions? Sure. Like anywhere else, some people have trouble putting their personal passions aside. But are they a clear majority or minority presence? Figure that out for yourself. It's not hard to do if you keep an open mind. On my campus, if you are looking for CRT evidence, you will have a long search ahead of you. Plan to budget extra time for that.
What school?
Let me know and I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to find more than a few profs who champion CRT ideas
Wow. So since someone wore a football jersey that means the politics isn’t real? Give me a break.
Here’s a tip:
When you say “but”…everything before it is meaningless.
So when you say, “Yes Hamas’s attack was terrible, but we have to understand [excuse] the Palestinians…”
Well…you really don’t mean the first part.
So now you're down to arguing over conjunctions to try to make your point?
Just. Move. On. Already.
Right after you admit you don’t like Israel and that you think the Palestinian cause is just; that their attack on Israel was justified.
You know you do…
I don't disagree that it's a complex issue and that there are 2 sides to be considered here, but it is very concerning how quickly/easily people supporting the Palestinians seem to be able to jump over the atrocities in order to get in the lane they wanted to be in the first place. Jews = Bad
Honestly...it's a very similar mindset to the MAGAs...where they already have the answer in their head and there's just nothing that's going to dissuade them that their side is right and righteous. Let's go back and talk about Hillary Clinton instead of talking about Trump...because the Clinton's are bad people justifying everything Trump does.
Where's the outrage from them for Hamas holding innocent civilians hostage, etc? Again....that's very MAGA like...in that the only important atrocities occur at the hands of their perceived enemies.
I know this response is very high level and broad brush, but it reflects how I'm seeing things.
I agree that social media is a huge influence here. Our younger kid, a college freshman this year with a general (and unusual for our family) lack of interest in politics, has jumped on the Israel-brought-this-on-themselves argument. Not at college. On TikTok.
I appreciate you trying to educate your children on how Jewish people have suffered from prejudice and hate by watching Schindler's List (GREAT movie). Another one I recommend is "Exodus" about the creation of Israel after WWII and trying to help Jews escape out of Europe (available on You Tube for free). Based on a book by Leon Uris.
Now, what have they learned about the Palestinians?
Thank you for the reference... and please don't patronize me about what "they learned" about the Palestinians. I gave them the full picture, to include talking about the West Bank Israeli settlements, the differences between Hamas and the PLO, the first and second antifadas, 1947/48, 1967, 1973 etc etc etc. I'm a retired military intelligence officer, and deeply informed about the history of the Middle East.
I'll bet you could tell some stories! Thank you for the background, you just never know who you're talking to on these comment threads.
That was rude and unnecessary. In addition, the Middle East has never been stable. The land now called Israel is on the ancient spice route which brought waves and waves of people through the area over a thousand years. It has been dominated by all sorts of groups over the years including Persians, Romans, Ottomans, British to name a few.
Go post that stuff on Truth Social...where you can go own some Dems.
There was a great conversation going on until your post.
Thanks for your service and your background is excellent and contributes greatly to the conversation.
Exodus
Screenplay by Dalton Trumbo (blacklisted by Hollywood when he refused to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee)
directed by Otto Preminger with music by Ernest Gold.
With a Jewish leading man, Paul Newman.
Epic (meaning your comment)
Your thoughtfulness in providing information to your children is impressive. Do you have reading recommendations for this old person? I grew up with WW2 vets in the family including one who participated in the liberation of Dachau.
Schindler’s List, enjoyed the novel, never saw the film (I hear it’s excellent.) I’m sorry if you sent your kids off to college and they came back with different opinions then yours. Obviously their wrong and you’re right (as was my father about us getting into Vietnam.) Maybe next movie night try one of the director’s other films, Raiders of the Lost Ark is a crowd pleaser.