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Dave Yell's avatar

I have now listened to multiple analysis on todays SCOTUS arguments about Trump's immunity.To say Jack Smith didn't have a good day is an understatement.After the appeals court wrote a very sound rejection of Trump's argument for total immunity,I accepted the CW of pundent legals that the SCOTUS would accept it as being the final word.Then they accepted listening to arguments.Then I thought that it would be 8-1 or 7-2 against.Now it is quite possible that they will rule that there are some "parameters" that the president could have some immunity.(and for future presidents).A question I have is could this possibly be and end to documents case also? There are some Bulwark readers out there who have been in the legal profession so I like to him from them. As JVL would say every once in a while;"Sarah,talk me down from the ledge".

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Migs's avatar

I’m not a lawyer but that case is screwed.

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Dave Yell's avatar

It certainly is moved to after the election or 2025.

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Migs's avatar

It’s kind of the only thing the matters but yeah.

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Different drummer's avatar

It's not up on The Bulwark yet (I'm watching on YouTube), but I'm halfway thru George Explains it All... and you should watch it. Now let me say I don't buy George's take - which I think goes beyond optimism to denialism; but my heartrate went down a little just to hear someone explain a very different perspective.

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Bruce Lawrence's avatar

I think George Conway is right. I listened to the oral arguments and listened to a lot of commentary, including Kim Wehle twice. I can't imagine where MJS got his take on the oral arguments. It's like he was listening to a different case. The ONLY benefit Trump is getting from this SCOTUS excursion is delay. When the ruling comes, it will reject Trump's claim of "total immunity", which is the only kind of immunity that could possibly save him in this case.

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Dave Yell's avatar

I can't wait. Right now I'm darker than JVL on his best days!(regarding the arguments at SCOTUS)

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Different drummer's avatar

Trust me, I get it. It was nice to hear Sarah say something to the effect of, "Everyone's panicking!" b/c I thought, "So I'm not overreacting and I'm not alone in my reaction." On the other hand, it's scary that even legal experts seem to be pretty freaked out.

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Dave Yell's avatar

I haven't listened yet.But From what I heard from the analysis of the arguments, it appears quite likely that the SCOTUS will grant some small kind of immunity and send it back to the lower court to decide.

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