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Tamara Andersen's avatar

While I appreciated this conversation (because I want to know what we're all dealing with), I found myself getting really agitated. Perhaps I misunderstand, but it seems pundits are suggesting Ron DeSantis is an improvement over Trump? I think he's a scarier version of Trump. He's a bully with authoritarian tendencies, and he's smart enough to be successful. Additionally, any of the potential candidates for 2024 that were mentioned did not stand up to Trump. Sycophants "need not apply" in my opinion. It seemed to me that David Drucker thinks DeSantis is just fine?

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Tai's avatar

RDS is a horrible alternative and he will try to have an imperial presidency, which is horrible. On the other hand, I don't think he has Trump's superpower to foment political violence by ransacking the Capitol and trying to kill Pence and Pelosi. I do believe there is a high level of wish-casting by the pundits and mainstream media. If Trump has 30% of the party's base, I just cannot see RDS can snag nearly as much support.

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Suzanne Clancy's avatar

Agree - DeSantis is a sanctimonious authoritarian prick who could probably work the levers of power more artfully than Trump ever could. But I don't believe he could command the masses in anywhere even close to the Don.

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Linda Oliver's avatar

Perhaps this is the deal: no, DeSantis is not normal. Nearer normal. He would be despicable over policies, not petty grievances and sidling into autocracy. He doesn’t have the charismatic devotion, or I don’t think even the desire, to accomplish that. Gentle the Republicans away from the crazy. Baby steps.

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MoosesMom's avatar

No, they didn't say that at all. They said he has the traits and policies of trump, just not the baggage (again with the pivot to "we want to win elections", not a repudiation of trumpism and the GOP's embrace of it, itself). It isn't just the voters, it's many of the never-trumpers, even at the Bulwark, who are so thrilled that the party might dump trump, they will eventually become supporters of the non-trump GOP candidate....

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Liberal Cynic's avatar

I am going to hate to see that day. If it ever comes I will be rethinking my sub, but will probably keep it because I need JVL's writing injected directly into my veins.

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