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Rabbi Jacob Herber's avatar

Tim Miller, the Iranians don’t want regime change in Israel. They want to wipe Israel from the world.

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Tim Miller's avatar

unclear what this is in response to but i have no illusions about Iran and said several times in this video that I understand Israel’s rationale for action i’m just less convinced about America’s.

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Rabbi Jacob Herber's avatar

You implied that the administration’s aim is regime change, while you were unsure whether Israel shared that goal (Min 3:38). Yediot Aharanot’s Nadav Eyal, who has extensive relationships within the Israeli military and political establishments, reported to CNN’s Fareed Zakaria this morning that no one in those echelons has that as a goal of the operation or sees it as a likely outcome. Btw, it should be noted that the overwhelming number of Israel’s citizens and its political leaders across the political spectrum support the Israeli government’s decision to launch this military campaign, despite how they feel about Bibi Netanyahu. For Israelis, this isn’t “Bibi’s War,” it’s “Israel’s War, because they understand what an Iran with a nuclear bomb(s) and the ballistic missiles with which to launch them means.

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Tim Miller's avatar

bibi last week said he wanted regime change i apologize for taking them at their word

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Rabbi Jacob Herber's avatar

Look, I am no Bibi fan. I wish his was not the government. He should pay the consequences for the disastrous security failure of Oct 7th. And at the same time, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. And, he did not say that regime change was an objective of the operation. He said it could be a possible outcome. But I understand that nuance in the highly polarized political world in which we currently live has very little currency or relevance. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahu-says-regime-change-in-iran-could-be-result-of-israels-attacks/ar-AA1GKYML?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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Rabbi Jacob Herber's avatar

Instead of having a respectful, rational debate you refuse to accept the facts and respond with ad hominems. How dare you mock my son’s service.

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No Sympathy, No Charity's avatar

When America undertook regime change in Iraq, a country that fired missiles into Israel, where was Israel?

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Rabbi Jacob Herber's avatar

DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE TOLD TO DO.

“[As for] the problem of keeping Israel out of the war, there were few things the President and his top aides worried about more,” explained one White House advisor in retrospect. 3   The U.S. decision to side-line and restrain Israel was successful due to a balanced strategy of positive and negative inducements. It was carefully crafted and executed by President George Bush and his most senior advisors. 4

MERIA: Friendly Restraint: U.S.-Israel Relations During the Gulf Crisis of 1990-1991

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No Sympathy, No Charity's avatar

Ahhh sooo we have already fought in one regime change war for Israel and now we will fight another one? And Rabbi, where were YOU from 2001 to 2021? Because I was busy bringing home the bodies of dead American men and women.

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Rabbi Jacob Herber's avatar

No Sympathy, No Charity or whatever your name is . . . I thank you for your service. I’m an ACS USCG Chaplain and my son is a U.S. Sailor. I take military service very seriously, and I know what it means to serve one’s country. I suggest you’re engaging in revisionist history. Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm were launched in response to Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. Operation Iraqi Freedom was launched by George W. Bush as Part II of Desert Storm, to remove Saddam.

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No Sympathy, No Charity's avatar

It was launched to remove Saddam under false pretenses. Much like this attack on Iran. Again, after Iraq launched SCUDS at Israel in 91, when America went in 2003, where was Israel? Sitting on its ass. Now we are going to head to war again for Israel? Ahh yes, sailors, famously at risk in land wars in SW Asia. Must be nice to advocate for all of this while having NO SKIN in the game whatsoever.

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Parrhizzia's avatar

That's insufficient reason to violate the Geneva Convention, a bunch of international humanitarian law, and start a conflict that will make the Iraq War look like a picnic.

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