Your analogy is flawed in more ways than one but most obviously, Iran could not, even in their wildist death to America dreams, come close to providing the same response as America would. Iran has no serious capacity to respond militarily (because they have no IRGC leadership, seriously diminished weapon capability, an out of date Air Force, and no nuclear weapon) these reasons are precisicley why this was the right thing to do and the right time to do it. Maybe the Ayotollah had a trick up his sleeve from the bunker heтАЩs cowering away in, but I find that unlikely.
your response is again the short term thinking that got the world into 8 years of havoc in Iraq based on short term thinking 'mission accomplished' mentality...doesn't anyone like learn from history?! The amount of deaths of innocent Iraqis is lost on you..and that is just one example. The NATO allies were then drawn into Afganist├бn.
The proud Iranian/ Persian people are not going to capitulate after they have been bombed in a pre-emptive strike...no one trusts the US or Israel for their barbarism...the US no longer has the forthright educated first world leadership it once embodied
We didn't bomb Iran as "pre-emptive strike", but rather a "preventative strike".
There is a technical difference ... and the former is legal under international law, but the latter is not (look at me pretending that international law is still a thing).
If Iran HAD a nuclear weapon and was threatening to use it, or making active moves to use it, then we could, legally, pre-emptively strike that weapon ... and ONLY that weapon.
However, Iran did not even have the material, let alone the weapon, so the bombing and assassinations were preventative, which is WILDLY illegal.
Yes agree - but the word 'preventative' can sound like a justification anyway, which is troubling because you could argue in the public domain that any action taken is preventative ....also yes I overstated Israel as a democracy - of course it isn't and wasn't - but it was once respected because it held elections and had an elected body rather than a King in a region of tyrants...but that doesn't mean it is a democracy for all the people granted! My bad!
I just have trouble with this short term long term argument because IтАЩm not sure what long term consequence could be worse than Iran having a bomb. I get that youтАЩre reflexively against war and violence, but Iran is now effectively kneecapped and they were unable to provide a strong response even against Israel. I think you overestimate them even still even when they have been exposed
How did we get here? Because after 2 hard years of efforts, 5 nations working on it, the UN endorsement, the JCPOA agreement was devised that was working well, Iran was being monitored and complying.Then simply because of his own ego (to cancel anything Obama worked on) and from Netanyahu's insistence against the deal (as it took away his enemy foil excuse), Trump ripped up the JCPOA. He has no patience for the hard work at actually getting a deal...he thinks an agreement at gunpoint is a deal...again short term thinking...building alliances, diplomacy with carrot and stick are the ways to solve complex problems not bullying tactics so the world turns against you! Israel was once a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, now the world is turning against them due to their depravity. My god man, learn some history and stop being a sheep led by two ego-led crazies trying to distract from their own failings!
The reality of what happened?
What do you think just happened?
Let me ask you - if China decided to strike our nuclear facilities, would you expect us to retaliate? If not, why not?
If yes, how?
You think this is "one and done"?
Your analogy is flawed in more ways than one but most obviously, Iran could not, even in their wildist death to America dreams, come close to providing the same response as America would. Iran has no serious capacity to respond militarily (because they have no IRGC leadership, seriously diminished weapon capability, an out of date Air Force, and no nuclear weapon) these reasons are precisicley why this was the right thing to do and the right time to do it. Maybe the Ayotollah had a trick up his sleeve from the bunker heтАЩs cowering away in, but I find that unlikely.
your response is again the short term thinking that got the world into 8 years of havoc in Iraq based on short term thinking 'mission accomplished' mentality...doesn't anyone like learn from history?! The amount of deaths of innocent Iraqis is lost on you..and that is just one example. The NATO allies were then drawn into Afganist├бn.
The proud Iranian/ Persian people are not going to capitulate after they have been bombed in a pre-emptive strike...no one trusts the US or Israel for their barbarism...the US no longer has the forthright educated first world leadership it once embodied
....now just another bully.
A small technical point.
We didn't bomb Iran as "pre-emptive strike", but rather a "preventative strike".
There is a technical difference ... and the former is legal under international law, but the latter is not (look at me pretending that international law is still a thing).
If Iran HAD a nuclear weapon and was threatening to use it, or making active moves to use it, then we could, legally, pre-emptively strike that weapon ... and ONLY that weapon.
However, Iran did not even have the material, let alone the weapon, so the bombing and assassinations were preventative, which is WILDLY illegal.
But again ... who cares?
Yes agree - but the word 'preventative' can sound like a justification anyway, which is troubling because you could argue in the public domain that any action taken is preventative ....also yes I overstated Israel as a democracy - of course it isn't and wasn't - but it was once respected because it held elections and had an elected body rather than a King in a region of tyrants...but that doesn't mean it is a democracy for all the people granted! My bad!
I just have trouble with this short term long term argument because IтАЩm not sure what long term consequence could be worse than Iran having a bomb. I get that youтАЩre reflexively against war and violence, but Iran is now effectively kneecapped and they were unable to provide a strong response even against Israel. I think you overestimate them even still even when they have been exposed
How did we get here? Because after 2 hard years of efforts, 5 nations working on it, the UN endorsement, the JCPOA agreement was devised that was working well, Iran was being monitored and complying.Then simply because of his own ego (to cancel anything Obama worked on) and from Netanyahu's insistence against the deal (as it took away his enemy foil excuse), Trump ripped up the JCPOA. He has no patience for the hard work at actually getting a deal...he thinks an agreement at gunpoint is a deal...again short term thinking...building alliances, diplomacy with carrot and stick are the ways to solve complex problems not bullying tactics so the world turns against you! Israel was once a beacon of democracy in the Middle East, now the world is turning against them due to their depravity. My god man, learn some history and stop being a sheep led by two ego-led crazies trying to distract from their own failings!
When was "Israel a beacon of democracy in the Middle East"?
Uh-huh.
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Looks like a reliable video and account! Good try though dude sorry youтАЩre so upset :)