I'm deeply offended by Murkowski, as Im sure are millions of others who thought she had some sort of principles left. She has finally proven that she doesn't, she's just another GOP gangster, loyal to party over country.
After all, it is not the noun that matters, it's the adjectives, e.g., selfish, self-centered, boot-licking, obsequious ... feel free to add more that seem appropriate to you.
I just read that Murkowski, speaking to NBC News, admitted she didn’t like the bill but was trying to take care of Alaska. Then she added, “But I know that in many parts of the country, there are Americans that are not going to be advantaged by this bill.” Not advantaged? How about harmed? People are going to lose access to FOOD and MEDICAL CARE. I don’t care what noun you attach to her, but this is a heartless whitewashing of the bill’s harms. I will be contacting her today. I enjoyed Tim Miller juxtaposing her vote today with her weepy town hall where she said she’s scared. She’s not scared. She’s dizzy with power.
I keep hoping she’ll break away from her isolationist Alaskan code in a more forceful way, but it did not happen. Her state is able to exist very separate from the rest, by choice, so the fate of people in the other 49 cannot be left in her hands- no matter how much she may seem to want to. Maybe she sees the rest going down, and had to at least get food for her state. We’ll see…….
She should have enough knowledge of geography and history to realize that if she gets Alaska far enough, politically, from the rest of the country, as it already is geographically, the most likely "neighbor" to be willing to take it under its "wing" is to the west, not east.
Doesn't Vance understand the importance of immigrant labor to farmers, meat packers and restaurants? Who is going to do these jobs, unless you foresee a near future depression with 20% unemployment?
Hope and pray? That’s never done anybody in danger any good. I suggest if you are able bodied, you get in shape. Run, push-ups, pull-ups, weights. If they try to shitcan the 2026 elections, we’re gonna need people to “protest.” Vigorously, perhaps.
We are approaching the time when we will see who among us, are sunshine patriots, and summer soldiers.
Much as I dislike the Weather Vain, I mean Vance, I have to point out that he does care about himself and is willing to do whatever it takes to stay on the good side of Big Daddy until the final cheeseburger comes. After all, JD really stands for Jettison Donald.
Yes, he does care about himself. Sorry, I thought it goes without saying that all of these pieces of shit care about themselves. Other than that, they have no worries about what they're doing to the rest of us.
Vance has his, he doesn’t give a rat’s ass. Theil’s whole project is creating a world where wealthy people can create a class of workers without rights.
Right we have enough Black Asian and "other" races to do those jobs. Or maybe, like in Chicago, there is a huge Russian and Polish immigrant population who can do those jobs. As a Polish immigrant woman who cleaned houses for a living told me she was LEGAL immigrant. She hated Blacks and Hispanics. Had no problem expressing racism.
It doesn't matter, the only thing that makes sense at this point is that they intentionally want to provoke a severe crisis in order to declare martial law and complete their destruction of our democracy. A food-shortage crisis on top of natural disasters with no FEMA relief and violence in the streets provoked by ICE might be just the ticket.
Back when Ayatollah Khomeini was in power a journalist asked him about retaining control of his country when only 30% of the population supported him. He replied "well, yes that's true. We have only 30% of the population. But we have ALL of the guns".
Vance can't seriously think that "his people" will do those jobs. Does he seriously think his pill-addled mom would have worked in a meat packing plant? Or that a WV county where 30% of the population is on disability can provide farm labor? There are multiple counties in Appalachia where half the kids live with grandparents. I'm sorry, these rural communities of "real Americans" aren't going to step in and fill the gap left by his immigration policies. Food prices will skyrocket.
Doesn't understand, doesn't care. The f@#$%&g republicans live in an alternate reality where things are as they believe them to be---wenn das der Führer wüsste (because the Leader wishes it). Immigrants MUST be the problem because Dinky Dick says they are, so the bearded titmouse must agree in lockstep, and all f@#$%&g republicans must vote accordingly.
That it will wreak havoc across the country, with hot spots in the stupid states (yes, Alaska included, but maybe a bit later than the others), is of no importance.
I stand corrected and thank you for the translations. The first term came from a book I read back in the mists of time, and I'll be the first to admit my German was thin to begin with and is now quite rusty. Prost!
My dystopian imagination: in a few years, we don’t have enough workers and the administration threatens companies to “donate” labor where needed. Company Boards start “volunteer America” program forcing employees to report to a factory, farm, construction site, etc to “help out” one day a week. The company pays for the labor costs. And companies not willing to do it get investigated by SEC, DOJ, loses government contracts, etc. I’ve seen enough corporate cowardice so far to believe they’d go along with it.
The Mao model. They're already running a cultural and intellectual purge; it seems logical to me that they will go full hardline and pursue the Maoist or Stalinist model when the crops need to be brought in, etc, as you said. For a group of people who rave daily about their abhorrence of communism they seem awfully keen to implement it.
All the folks sitting at home doing nothing but drawing on SNAP and Medicaid. Probably not anywhere near enough of these folks to replace all the immigrant workers in meat processing, agriculture and hospitality industries. Now that immigrant day workers know that hanging out at HomeDepot looking for work will get you arrested, are we seeing these sit at home, I can’t find a job US citizens taking their place to do construction and landscape work?
MAGA are rabid on the subject of illegals. I see them in the comments at the WSJ: throw them out is almost the only sentiment. This includes the “Dreamers,” who were brought illegally as children. Throw them out!
There are stickers going up on VWs over here in Germany which translate to "I bought this before Hitler became a problem". One of the reasons I protest with signs here in Germany is to let Germans know not all Americans are nuts.
It’s like the worst carnival I’ve ever been to, but one hundred times worse. Now that dipshit trump is coming out with perfume. What a pathetic creature. This country is not the one I remember from the bicentennial as a child. It was screwed up then too, but this is off the charts.
Vance’s statement is unmoored from any reality. It’s just a narrative for the anti-brown people crowd so that when they’re thrown out of nursing homes they’ll believe it’s because illegals.
Because there aren't enough native born white American men and women whose dream job is changing adult diapers,bathing and feeding senior citizens for 10.00 an hour.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’m just glad my parents passed away. They were Medicaid patients in a nursing home. What do you suppose would happen to them if they were alive today? They certainly can’t work! Of course, they’d probably find some sort of snafu with my mother‘s naturalization paperwork and ship her off to God knows where.
Murkowski and her pals can lie about how much they care for the American people, but we all see how little they care about anything other than themselves. No hiding possible.
I emailed her before and after. I know it’s hopeless to email and call, but I needed to do it. First I encouraged her to be courageous for her fellow citizens who would be harmed by this bill. Then I told her that her vote will cause severe harm to many people and her actions and those of her republican comrades is shameful. Perhaps she’ll read some of these emails and listen to some phone calls and she will feel shame. Perhaps not. But my family and those i love will be affected by her vote.
Deserving don’t have nothin to do with life. That piece of garbage Jimmy Swaggert lived to be 90, my momma died young. She was a good person. She didn’t deserve it.
When I’m creepin around the Mad Max hellscape, my first question for people I sneak up on, will be “So, who did you vote for in 2024?” The answer will determine my next course of action.
Hey Murkowski: you found that question or comment offensive? What IS offensive is your sellout. You’re just another politician going with the flow to save your sorry ass! Hope you rot in hell!
i hope they all do, and that they do it well before they get to hell, because they have made a hell of our country...........let them rot right here, each and everyone of them.
they are all cowards, caving in to Trump - why? it's basically Stephen Miller and his bunch who hate all of us. I hope I'm white enough...I do have Eastern European heritage. And they also fear MAGA, who will come to hate them when they learn how much has just been taken from them. When will those folks finally be sorry for voting as they did, or not even voting! Between them and the Supreme Court, they are slowly unraveling this country.
These people claim to love America, but clearly don't love Americans unless they are white or rich, preferably both.
They are an embarressment to the Founders of this Nation. Please read the Declaration of Independence. It tells us exactly what we have to do. It won't be pretty. The first American Revolution wasn't, I don't expect the second American Revolution to be either. But we must
revolt in any way we can. With Marches, protests, withholding our taxes, not spending at Walmart, or Amazon, get off of Facebook, whatever it takes to let them know that we're not as stupid as their voters. And we want our country back.
This fascist regime, its leaders and conspirators are in full Nazi playbook mode imo. I hope the masses rise up before citizens begin disappearing and being shipped off to concentration camps.
Polling indicates that the MAGA base still supports the bill with support barely falling below 30% and around 40% for the true believers. Willful ignorance cannot be fixed. YMMV.
Most of them have no clue what is in the bill. They just know Trump supports it, so as dutiful cult members, they must support it too.
The worst part is that the most destructive consequences are conveniently deferred, giving the cult cover to say “see nothing happened lol u just have TDS.” By the time they hit, Trump won’t be around and will once again escape accountability. It almost makes me want him to win a third term just so he gets all the credit.
I don’t know about you, but if I have a good idea that I’m really excited about and that I believe will help people, I wouldn’t want to wait 2 or 3 years to do it! I’d want to do it now!
Deeply offended? She should be deeply ashamed. What a coward, in every sense of the word.
I'm deeply offended by Murkowski, as Im sure are millions of others who thought she had some sort of principles left. She has finally proven that she doesn't, she's just another GOP gangster, loyal to party over country.
Selfish bitch
Please don’t insult dogs. They are a lot more trustworthy than she is. :)
It’s just name calling. How about, she’s a jerk? There are lots more to choose from.
After all, it is not the noun that matters, it's the adjectives, e.g., selfish, self-centered, boot-licking, obsequious ... feel free to add more that seem appropriate to you.
I just read that Murkowski, speaking to NBC News, admitted she didn’t like the bill but was trying to take care of Alaska. Then she added, “But I know that in many parts of the country, there are Americans that are not going to be advantaged by this bill.” Not advantaged? How about harmed? People are going to lose access to FOOD and MEDICAL CARE. I don’t care what noun you attach to her, but this is a heartless whitewashing of the bill’s harms. I will be contacting her today. I enjoyed Tim Miller juxtaposing her vote today with her weepy town hall where she said she’s scared. She’s not scared. She’s dizzy with power.
Wait, isn't it possible that a person can be a bitch separately from being a coward, selfish and untrustworthy?
Then gender doesn't factor in, it's just her nature. 😉
And loyal to herself above all. She just secured her sinecure until she leaves like Feinstein did, high heels first.
Republicans have no principles. Why would Murkowski be any different?
To be fair, her state is not very conducive to raising hogs. So she has to get the pork into the state one way or another.
I also found it interesting in her 2017 comment that it seems she realizes a successful parasite must not kill off the host.
Now that is one of the most insightful comments I’ve read in a while.
She's pretty smart about that kind of stuff.
I'd say she's deeply "defensive".
I keep hoping she’ll break away from her isolationist Alaskan code in a more forceful way, but it did not happen. Her state is able to exist very separate from the rest, by choice, so the fate of people in the other 49 cannot be left in her hands- no matter how much she may seem to want to. Maybe she sees the rest going down, and had to at least get food for her state. We’ll see…….
She should have enough knowledge of geography and history to realize that if she gets Alaska far enough, politically, from the rest of the country, as it already is geographically, the most likely "neighbor" to be willing to take it under its "wing" is to the west, not east.
Absolutely. Russia, as the “original owner” has a more legitimate claim than DT has over Canada. Her party seems to like such deals.
Translation of her comments afterward: I'm too craven to vote against this bill, but I hope my colleagues in the House will vote against it."
Doesn't Vance understand the importance of immigrant labor to farmers, meat packers and restaurants? Who is going to do these jobs, unless you foresee a near future depression with 20% unemployment?
You're missing the point. Vance doesn't care - about anything. Period.
None of them do...................they have neither morals or shame, if this bill doesn't lose them the midterms NOTHING ever will
Let us hope and pray there are midterms.
Hope and pray? That’s never done anybody in danger any good. I suggest if you are able bodied, you get in shape. Run, push-ups, pull-ups, weights. If they try to shitcan the 2026 elections, we’re gonna need people to “protest.” Vigorously, perhaps.
We are approaching the time when we will see who among us, are sunshine patriots, and summer soldiers.
He cares about access to power.
He cares about obtaining and maintaining power. That's it.
he likes his beard. Makes him feel manly like Don Jr
Those beards are just icky.
If we lived in a fair world, everyone who votes/votes Yes would have their own healthcare taken away.
Much as I dislike the Weather Vain, I mean Vance, I have to point out that he does care about himself and is willing to do whatever it takes to stay on the good side of Big Daddy until the final cheeseburger comes. After all, JD really stands for Jettison Donald.
Weather Vane. I see what you did there. 👍
Yes, he does care about himself. Sorry, I thought it goes without saying that all of these pieces of shit care about themselves. Other than that, they have no worries about what they're doing to the rest of us.
I agree. I'm sure his compliance and capitulation is pure optimism. I dont know what he believes, if anything.
Exactly
Vance has his, he doesn’t give a rat’s ass. Theil’s whole project is creating a world where wealthy people can create a class of workers without rights.
I saw clips from super Christian, dork Ross Douthat interviewing Thiel. Thiel is out there like fuckin Pluto, man! He’s crazy.
I voiced my displeasure at that Nazi being interviewed and normalized. I doubt the Times cares what I think.
No, the Times leans where the money and power is. Its been a long time since it stood for Truth.
And even if they do, they won't let anyone know for fear that they will be the next be hit for a $16 million settlement offer.
I haven't been able to make myself watch it. Pacing myself as best I can.
It really demonstrates the false Christianity of the "Religious Right" it's all performative. Their real gods are power and money.
Slaves or Serfs? Not clear which we'll be.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Neither baby. We are gonna be hell on wheels!
Californians, if you spell the last word with the "u" it deserves.
I'm hoping that Canada will buy California. It would be nice to be Canadian.
None of the lazy proud boys are going to do those jobs, I can tell you that.
I suspect many of them are masked and driving around in unmarked cars rounding up people to deport.
Whatever pays the bills!!
Republicans think the nation's underemployed poor men yearn for 16 hour days picking vegetables and packing meat. Because they are fucking idiots.
The only flaw I find in your argumentation is the second word. They WANT them to yearn for....
Right we have enough Black Asian and "other" races to do those jobs. Or maybe, like in Chicago, there is a huge Russian and Polish immigrant population who can do those jobs. As a Polish immigrant woman who cleaned houses for a living told me she was LEGAL immigrant. She hated Blacks and Hispanics. Had no problem expressing racism.
It doesn't matter, the only thing that makes sense at this point is that they intentionally want to provoke a severe crisis in order to declare martial law and complete their destruction of our democracy. A food-shortage crisis on top of natural disasters with no FEMA relief and violence in the streets provoked by ICE might be just the ticket.
Oh yeah, and all 330 million of us are gonna snivel, and raise the white flag. Not this guy baby!
Yep.
They have guns.
We can has them too. Not hard. And there are way more of us.
Back when Ayatollah Khomeini was in power a journalist asked him about retaining control of his country when only 30% of the population supported him. He replied "well, yes that's true. We have only 30% of the population. But we have ALL of the guns".
Yep, there is a reason why the rednecks love and allowed to have their guns.
Mark P - you hit the nail on the head.
That's my conclusion and analysis, as well.
The solution in Florida is to relax child-labor laws. That way, the populace is even more ignorant and easy to lead around as education drops further.
Vance can't seriously think that "his people" will do those jobs. Does he seriously think his pill-addled mom would have worked in a meat packing plant? Or that a WV county where 30% of the population is on disability can provide farm labor? There are multiple counties in Appalachia where half the kids live with grandparents. I'm sorry, these rural communities of "real Americans" aren't going to step in and fill the gap left by his immigration policies. Food prices will skyrocket.
I think we will start seeing forced labor from these 'detention' camps.
Yes but it won't directly impact him, his family or tech comrades.
He doesn't care. His Thiel-agenda is part of Yarvin's philosophy to gut the country and put it back together with a corporate autocracy.
I've recently read about that theory. Its very scary and disheartening. It will turn us into Russia.
Doesn't understand, doesn't care. The f@#$%&g republicans live in an alternate reality where things are as they believe them to be---wenn das der Führer wüsste (because the Leader wishes it). Immigrants MUST be the problem because Dinky Dick says they are, so the bearded titmouse must agree in lockstep, and all f@#$%&g republicans must vote accordingly.
That it will wreak havoc across the country, with hot spots in the stupid states (yes, Alaska included, but maybe a bit later than the others), is of no importance.
Weil der Führer es so will = because the Leader wants it to be so.
Wenn das der Führer wüsste = if the leader knew (about) it
No disagreement with the thrust of your comment.
I stand corrected and thank you for the translations. The first term came from a book I read back in the mists of time, and I'll be the first to admit my German was thin to begin with and is now quite rusty. Prost!
🍻 (We lawyers like correct citations😉)
A lawyer named Court. Dude. FTW.
My dystopian imagination: in a few years, we don’t have enough workers and the administration threatens companies to “donate” labor where needed. Company Boards start “volunteer America” program forcing employees to report to a factory, farm, construction site, etc to “help out” one day a week. The company pays for the labor costs. And companies not willing to do it get investigated by SEC, DOJ, loses government contracts, etc. I’ve seen enough corporate cowardice so far to believe they’d go along with it.
The Mao model. They're already running a cultural and intellectual purge; it seems logical to me that they will go full hardline and pursue the Maoist or Stalinist model when the crops need to be brought in, etc, as you said. For a group of people who rave daily about their abhorrence of communism they seem awfully keen to implement it.
I thought they were against socialism...🙄 or don't they know the difference 😏?
As long as they are the elite, they dont care.
All the folks sitting at home doing nothing but drawing on SNAP and Medicaid. Probably not anywhere near enough of these folks to replace all the immigrant workers in meat processing, agriculture and hospitality industries. Now that immigrant day workers know that hanging out at HomeDepot looking for work will get you arrested, are we seeing these sit at home, I can’t find a job US citizens taking their place to do construction and landscape work?
MAGA are rabid on the subject of illegals. I see them in the comments at the WSJ: throw them out is almost the only sentiment. This includes the “Dreamers,” who were brought illegally as children. Throw them out!
Vance had tapped into the MAGA mood perfectly.
That’s why they’re banning abortion.
Politics is essentially the fine art of pricing your soul.
Paraphrasing….
Q. What kind of person do you think I am?
A. We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.
I can't fucking stand US. Look who we are.
all decent people must be so ashamed to be americans..................
There are stickers going up on VWs over here in Germany which translate to "I bought this before Hitler became a problem". One of the reasons I protest with signs here in Germany is to let Germans know not all Americans are nuts.
It’s like the worst carnival I’ve ever been to, but one hundred times worse. Now that dipshit trump is coming out with perfume. What a pathetic creature. This country is not the one I remember from the bicentennial as a child. It was screwed up then too, but this is off the charts.
It’s unbelievable that a president is hawking perfume and running shoes. Branded with his name!
Still, while tacky, it pales in comparison to the other damage he’s doing.
Sounds to me like he is trying to find a way to monetize his brain farts.
The weasel formerly known as Senator Murkowski.
She just replaced Joni Ernst as the worst. Problem is, she will be re-elected. Murkowski played the Manchin card perfectly.
She'll be re-elected because Alaskans will want to reward her for getting special privileges for them. Reminds me of Ted Stevens.
She’s a good example of humanity. The cruel, cowardly part.
Fits right in with the Felon and his Gangsters.
Vance’s statement is unmoored from any reality. It’s just a narrative for the anti-brown people crowd so that when they’re thrown out of nursing homes they’ll believe it’s because illegals.
Because there aren't enough native born white American men and women whose dream job is changing adult diapers,bathing and feeding senior citizens for 10.00 an hour.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’m just glad my parents passed away. They were Medicaid patients in a nursing home. What do you suppose would happen to them if they were alive today? They certainly can’t work! Of course, they’d probably find some sort of snafu with my mother‘s naturalization paperwork and ship her off to God knows where.
Ginny for your and their sakes, I hope he does and it is good there.
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Sorry, I was skipping too many steps: Parents passed, ship her off to God knows where.
I figured you must have missed something I said. 😊
😉🥂
Murkowski and her pals can lie about how much they care for the American people, but we all see how little they care about anything other than themselves. No hiding possible.
She is shameless
She is a disgrace to our standing as women. She just BSD’s us. She doesn’t mind that poor children & elders will go hungry, or homeless.
But, she & her spineless cohorts will have meds to sleep at night, the rest of us won’t.
A cowardly woman!!!
I emailed her before and after. I know it’s hopeless to email and call, but I needed to do it. First I encouraged her to be courageous for her fellow citizens who would be harmed by this bill. Then I told her that her vote will cause severe harm to many people and her actions and those of her republican comrades is shameful. Perhaps she’ll read some of these emails and listen to some phone calls and she will feel shame. Perhaps not. But my family and those i love will be affected by her vote.
I did, too, and I'm in Chicago.
We are not a serious country. I’m to the point of just letting it implode. Elect a criminal moron and you deserve it
yeah, except the rest of us (who didn't elect him, them) don'[t deserve any of this.
Deserving don’t have nothin to do with life. That piece of garbage Jimmy Swaggert lived to be 90, my momma died young. She was a good person. She didn’t deserve it.
When I’m creepin around the Mad Max hellscape, my first question for people I sneak up on, will be “So, who did you vote for in 2024?” The answer will determine my next course of action.
This portion of the Alex Garland movie "Civil War" was chilling. I believe the line was, "What type of American Are You?"
Indeed.
Hey Murkowski: you found that question or comment offensive? What IS offensive is your sellout. You’re just another politician going with the flow to save your sorry ass! Hope you rot in hell!
i hope they all do, and that they do it well before they get to hell, because they have made a hell of our country...........let them rot right here, each and everyone of them.
they are all cowards, caving in to Trump - why? it's basically Stephen Miller and his bunch who hate all of us. I hope I'm white enough...I do have Eastern European heritage. And they also fear MAGA, who will come to hate them when they learn how much has just been taken from them. When will those folks finally be sorry for voting as they did, or not even voting! Between them and the Supreme Court, they are slowly unraveling this country.
Stephen Miller’s ancestors were from the Russian Empire—escaping pogroms. Despite that background he despises migrants.
Corrupt and Heartless, it's a race to who can sell their soul more thoroughly.
These people claim to love America, but clearly don't love Americans unless they are white or rich, preferably both.
They are an embarressment to the Founders of this Nation. Please read the Declaration of Independence. It tells us exactly what we have to do. It won't be pretty. The first American Revolution wasn't, I don't expect the second American Revolution to be either. But we must
revolt in any way we can. With Marches, protests, withholding our taxes, not spending at Walmart, or Amazon, get off of Facebook, whatever it takes to let them know that we're not as stupid as their voters. And we want our country back.
Shame on me for putting one ounce of faith in Murkowski! Once again, it’s the hope that kills you!
You sound like Emperor Palpatine talking to Luke. I dig it!!!
This fascist regime, its leaders and conspirators are in full Nazi playbook mode imo. I hope the masses rise up before citizens begin disappearing and being shipped off to concentration camps.
Like Alligator Alcatraz. The newest ICE camp.
Polling indicates that the MAGA base still supports the bill with support barely falling below 30% and around 40% for the true believers. Willful ignorance cannot be fixed. YMMV.
So true. When the Red Army was blocks away from the Fuerher Bunker in Berlin in 1945, the bastard still had around 40% support from the German people.
We have Paleolithic brains with technology that’s like magic. It was always bound to end badly. People, I mean.
I try to be optimistic, but you nailed it. Paleolithic brains with magic tech. Of course we'll self-extinguish.
Humans are a failed experiment.
Most of them have no clue what is in the bill. They just know Trump supports it, so as dutiful cult members, they must support it too.
The worst part is that the most destructive consequences are conveniently deferred, giving the cult cover to say “see nothing happened lol u just have TDS.” By the time they hit, Trump won’t be around and will once again escape accountability. It almost makes me want him to win a third term just so he gets all the credit.
I don’t know about you, but if I have a good idea that I’m really excited about and that I believe will help people, I wouldn’t want to wait 2 or 3 years to do it! I’d want to do it now!