The United States is a nation of immigrants: 80 million from 150+ countries. Ten million have come from Mexico. To deny that reality, and try to walk back the clock on the nation's founding and progress, is hard to comprehend. In addition, the demographics already baked into the US population (and in the developed nations worldwide, as w…
The United States is a nation of immigrants: 80 million from 150+ countries. Ten million have come from Mexico. To deny that reality, and try to walk back the clock on the nation's founding and progress, is hard to comprehend. In addition, the demographics already baked into the US population (and in the developed nations worldwide, as well as China) show that we need immigrants willing to come and work, as aging and declining populations see fewer and fewer tax-paying workers supporting more and more retired. These demographics are not a matter of opinion. They . . . are.
"The Nazi Party’s paramilitary organisation were the Sturm Abeilung, more commonly known as the SA. The SA were formed in 1921 and were known as ‘brownshirts’ due to their brown uniform. Initially most members were ex-soldiers or unemployed men. Violent and often disorderly, the SA were primarily responsible for the protection of leading Nazis and disrupting other political opponents’ meetings, although they often had a free rein on their activities.
If Hitler was to gain power democratically, he needed to reform the SA. He set out to change their reputation. A new leader, Franz von Salomon, was recruited. Rather than the violent free rein they had previously enjoyed, Salomon was stricter and gave the SA a more defined role.
In 1925, Hitler also established the Schutzstaffel, otherwise known as the SS. The SS were initially created as Hitler’s personal bodyguards, although they would go on to police the entire Third Reich.
The SS were a small sub-division of the SA with approximately 300 members until 1929. In 1929, Heinrich Himmler took over the organisation, and expanded it dramatically.
By 1933, the SS had 35,000 members. Members of the SS were chosen based on their ‘racial purity’, blind obedience and fanatical loyalty to Hitler.
The SS saw themselves as the ultimate defenders of the ‘Aryan’ race and Nazi ideology. They terrorized and aimed to destroy any person or group that threatened this.
The SA and the SS became symbols of terror. The Nazi Party used these two forces to terrify their opposition into subordination, slowly eliminate them entirely, or scare people into supporting them."
I agree, except to note that MAGA is correct when they say there's a difference between immigrants who are legit and those who are not. That's why this issue is a real minefield: insistence on the rule of law is all we've got about now. I notice that none of the people in the article except maybe the pastor were for out-and-out defying deportation.
It is also an unsaid truism that the country relies on the labor of undocumented workers both in the form of tax dollars that they contribute for which they do not reap a direct benefit and the very cheap labor that keeps our prices low for things such as our produce. That being said, we do need a better and more efficient process to manage immigration and perhaps create more documented immigration. |||| however, I do not think these MAGA people are interested in the nuances of immigration and the benefits of that immigration. They seem to want to get rid of anyone with melanin. I fear they will want to remove temporary protected statuses of many immigrants, deport DACA recipients, and next go after green card holders. Trump has floated the idea of denaturalizing citizens as well. Though I am not sure if that’s possible.
This is all true - better faster processing of documents, a more just immigration system. I am thinking about our bigger cities. Who is going to work in restaurants, be teacher and doctors, work in construction, landscape, maintenance, manufacturing, airports, driving cabs, everything. I don't understand why they don't look around themselves and see who is doing this work.
There is rule-of-law and then there is rule-of-law-how-it-is-actually-practiced. I live in rural Nebraska where on rural roads automobile traffic is measured in tens of autos per day. Many intersections have stop signs, but these signs are routinely ignored. (At those intersections where visibility is good.) No attempt is made at all to enforce and everyone understands this.
Similarly with "illegal" immigration. Our politicians have tried, and succeeded, having it both ways. They talk tough about rule of law, but they also look the other way so that the demand for immigrant labor can be met. So immigrants have been able to build lives in this country because we never really meant to enforce the laws. To make a dramatic turn now and decimate the lives built under the regime of rule-of-law-as-actually-practiced is a horrible, horrible cruelty.
As usual with the Old Convicted Felon and his MAGAites, the cruelty is the point, just like the scare tactics to try to make some of the "targets" quit and go on their own. That would be chalked up as a non-contest win by the Millers and Homans.
It's a global effect, Tom. The Southern Hemisphere is trying to move north, by boat, over land, swimming . . . any which way they can. Intrinsic to the problem, as I've mentioned earlier, is that Congress has neglected the immigration issue for three decades, despite every attempt to address it seriously (Obama tried, but his initiative was tossed out by the Senate after it was passed in the House).
John - 3 decades is too modest, my friend. Simpson-Mazzoli's coming up on 40 years ago. I recall at the time it was a BIG deal but there was recognition it was hardly a fix for everything awry in US immigration system. As every study says, "further research is needed..." Same with the few various tweaks of law in whatever part of my lifetime that I've been paying attention - "further legislation is warranted." Just another topic we've been willing to ignore. Trump's gonna shake that up but not likely we can eke much good from that.
The treatment of the Jews and others before and during WW 2 led to international agreements regarding refugees and asylum, but now it's half the world seeking refuge in the other half.
The United States is a nation of immigrants: 80 million from 150+ countries. Ten million have come from Mexico. To deny that reality, and try to walk back the clock on the nation's founding and progress, is hard to comprehend. In addition, the demographics already baked into the US population (and in the developed nations worldwide, as well as China) show that we need immigrants willing to come and work, as aging and declining populations see fewer and fewer tax-paying workers supporting more and more retired. These demographics are not a matter of opinion. They . . . are.
"The Nazi Party’s paramilitary organisation were the Sturm Abeilung, more commonly known as the SA. The SA were formed in 1921 and were known as ‘brownshirts’ due to their brown uniform. Initially most members were ex-soldiers or unemployed men. Violent and often disorderly, the SA were primarily responsible for the protection of leading Nazis and disrupting other political opponents’ meetings, although they often had a free rein on their activities.
If Hitler was to gain power democratically, he needed to reform the SA. He set out to change their reputation. A new leader, Franz von Salomon, was recruited. Rather than the violent free rein they had previously enjoyed, Salomon was stricter and gave the SA a more defined role.
In 1925, Hitler also established the Schutzstaffel, otherwise known as the SS. The SS were initially created as Hitler’s personal bodyguards, although they would go on to police the entire Third Reich.
The SS were a small sub-division of the SA with approximately 300 members until 1929. In 1929, Heinrich Himmler took over the organisation, and expanded it dramatically.
By 1933, the SS had 35,000 members. Members of the SS were chosen based on their ‘racial purity’, blind obedience and fanatical loyalty to Hitler.
The SS saw themselves as the ultimate defenders of the ‘Aryan’ race and Nazi ideology. They terrorized and aimed to destroy any person or group that threatened this.
The SA and the SS became symbols of terror. The Nazi Party used these two forces to terrify their opposition into subordination, slowly eliminate them entirely, or scare people into supporting them."
https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-nazi-rise-to-power/the-nazi-rise-to-power/sa-and-ss/
I agree, except to note that MAGA is correct when they say there's a difference between immigrants who are legit and those who are not. That's why this issue is a real minefield: insistence on the rule of law is all we've got about now. I notice that none of the people in the article except maybe the pastor were for out-and-out defying deportation.
It is also an unsaid truism that the country relies on the labor of undocumented workers both in the form of tax dollars that they contribute for which they do not reap a direct benefit and the very cheap labor that keeps our prices low for things such as our produce. That being said, we do need a better and more efficient process to manage immigration and perhaps create more documented immigration. |||| however, I do not think these MAGA people are interested in the nuances of immigration and the benefits of that immigration. They seem to want to get rid of anyone with melanin. I fear they will want to remove temporary protected statuses of many immigrants, deport DACA recipients, and next go after green card holders. Trump has floated the idea of denaturalizing citizens as well. Though I am not sure if that’s possible.
This is all true - better faster processing of documents, a more just immigration system. I am thinking about our bigger cities. Who is going to work in restaurants, be teacher and doctors, work in construction, landscape, maintenance, manufacturing, airports, driving cabs, everything. I don't understand why they don't look around themselves and see who is doing this work.
Who knows...maybe some of the rest of us malcontent will be banished to Greenland....
"Bulwarkia" will be the new detainment center area of newly-acquired Greenland! We'll ALL get to meet there, maybe face-to-face.
Remind me. Is it a loaf of bread in a file ot a file in a loaf of bread?
There is rule-of-law and then there is rule-of-law-how-it-is-actually-practiced. I live in rural Nebraska where on rural roads automobile traffic is measured in tens of autos per day. Many intersections have stop signs, but these signs are routinely ignored. (At those intersections where visibility is good.) No attempt is made at all to enforce and everyone understands this.
Similarly with "illegal" immigration. Our politicians have tried, and succeeded, having it both ways. They talk tough about rule of law, but they also look the other way so that the demand for immigrant labor can be met. So immigrants have been able to build lives in this country because we never really meant to enforce the laws. To make a dramatic turn now and decimate the lives built under the regime of rule-of-law-as-actually-practiced is a horrible, horrible cruelty.
As usual with the Old Convicted Felon and his MAGAites, the cruelty is the point, just like the scare tactics to try to make some of the "targets" quit and go on their own. That would be chalked up as a non-contest win by the Millers and Homans.
It's a global effect, Tom. The Southern Hemisphere is trying to move north, by boat, over land, swimming . . . any which way they can. Intrinsic to the problem, as I've mentioned earlier, is that Congress has neglected the immigration issue for three decades, despite every attempt to address it seriously (Obama tried, but his initiative was tossed out by the Senate after it was passed in the House).
John - 3 decades is too modest, my friend. Simpson-Mazzoli's coming up on 40 years ago. I recall at the time it was a BIG deal but there was recognition it was hardly a fix for everything awry in US immigration system. As every study says, "further research is needed..." Same with the few various tweaks of law in whatever part of my lifetime that I've been paying attention - "further legislation is warranted." Just another topic we've been willing to ignore. Trump's gonna shake that up but not likely we can eke much good from that.
The treatment of the Jews and others before and during WW 2 led to international agreements regarding refugees and asylum, but now it's half the world seeking refuge in the other half.
And of course the US helped create the violent societies these people are fleeing.