People have to understand this: even if Trump is charged with a felony and convicted, even if gets a several year prison sentence, he can still be a candidate for President of the United States and be elected. Federal courts have ruled that the only qualifications for President or any federal elected position are those outlined in the…
People have to understand this: even if Trump is charged with a felony and convicted, even if gets a several year prison sentence, he can still be a candidate for President of the United States and be elected. Federal courts have ruled that the only qualifications for President or any federal elected position are those outlined in the Constitution. Regarding the Presidency, those qualifications are 35 years of age, natural born citizen, 14 years a resident of the United States).
That you don't have a felony conviction is not mentioned in the Constitution. If you have a felony, you can run for President or Congress. Many, if not most states, disqualify people from running for state office if they have a felony. But they can't stop felons from running or being elected to federal office.
Of course, some will chime in that if Trump's convicted of a felony he will be so damaged politically he won't be able to run. I don't buy that for a second. His political supporters have proven they will overlook ANYTHING. He will still be running the GOP and in line to get the nomination if he wants. I think if Trump's prosecuted, he's more likely to run because that will give him the most political cover from the prosecution.
But there is a way to disqualification. The Insurrection Clause of the 14th Amendment needs to be dusted off and used to take Trump out of the running in 2024 and for any federal election thereafter. That's what they should have used instead of the much more difficult alternative of impeachment. Now though they have even more evidence of the conspiracy and Trump's role. Use the Insurrection Clause. Don't assume criminal convictions will deter Trump from running.
Hell, if the guy got an actual rap sheet with his name on it, that would probably really firm up his support with a lot of his victims, er...I mean supporters, since they could better identify with him as a genuine victim of government oppression and the Deep State. After all, who could actually get Trump other than the Deep State, since the everyday garden variety justice system institutions haven't laid a glove on him to date?
I can see campaign posters with his mug shot on 'em sellin' like hotcakes. And then there are all those media possibilities for new programs a la Life After Lockup, Criminal Minds, etc.
Interesting to note that MAGA "federal government haters" hail from states in which 8 of the top 10 are sucking at the federal trough are Trump/Red states, as are 16 of the top 25.
Appreciate your points, but if such reality takes place (I doubt any prison time), a larger segment of Independents and a small sliver of ReTrumplican'ts will never be able to support another befouled presidency.
It depends upon what he is tried for and convicted of.:
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
18 USC 2383
But yes, you could be a convicted murderer serving hard time and run for President and be elected (theoretically).
Point taken. The crucial thing is to continue to hammer at Trump's reputation. My fondest hope is that Bill Barr, under questioning from Liz Cheney, will repeat publicly what he told Jonathon Karl: Trump's claims of election fraud are all bullshit. Get people to recognize The Big Lie is a lie, and Trump is instantly transformed into a pathetic figure.
I think you may be overestimating people's wilingness to admit their ability to be conned. If you are still with Trump, you are not capable of being convinced of anything other than what he says is true.
There is NOTHING, literally NOTHING--no data, no argument, that will convince these people that the election was not stolen. Trying to convince these people of that is a fools errand.
You CAN convince more reasonable people--but there is a segment of the population that MUST believe this in order for the universe to work for them. It becomes the equivalent of a crisis of religious faith.
The hope is that there are enough reasonable people to understand this and vote accordingly in the future.
And remember that a number of these reasonable people will go along with this BS because it serves their own ambition (IOW, a lot of the current GoP politicians).
Live testimony in prime time before a congressional committee could have an impact. It's a numbers game - keep chipping away.
I was surprised by a 19 year old neighbor kid a few days ago. He's studying to be an electrician and grew up in a MAGA household. A couple years ago in high school shop he made a "Trump 2020" sign. But he asked me, "Is that asshole(Trump) really going to run again?"
It's just astonishing that someone like Trump could never be hired for a position requiring a security clearance, yet he's totally cleared to be President. And, as President, he's positioned to make nepotistic White House appointments and override flags in their clearance checks. If there is any silver lining in the Trump presidency, it is the extent to which he exposed flaws in our system just by his very corrupt nature. But, nothing will be done to address those flaws, so there goes the silver lining.
People have to understand this: even if Trump is charged with a felony and convicted, even if gets a several year prison sentence, he can still be a candidate for President of the United States and be elected. Federal courts have ruled that the only qualifications for President or any federal elected position are those outlined in the Constitution. Regarding the Presidency, those qualifications are 35 years of age, natural born citizen, 14 years a resident of the United States).
That you don't have a felony conviction is not mentioned in the Constitution. If you have a felony, you can run for President or Congress. Many, if not most states, disqualify people from running for state office if they have a felony. But they can't stop felons from running or being elected to federal office.
Of course, some will chime in that if Trump's convicted of a felony he will be so damaged politically he won't be able to run. I don't buy that for a second. His political supporters have proven they will overlook ANYTHING. He will still be running the GOP and in line to get the nomination if he wants. I think if Trump's prosecuted, he's more likely to run because that will give him the most political cover from the prosecution.
But there is a way to disqualification. The Insurrection Clause of the 14th Amendment needs to be dusted off and used to take Trump out of the running in 2024 and for any federal election thereafter. That's what they should have used instead of the much more difficult alternative of impeachment. Now though they have even more evidence of the conspiracy and Trump's role. Use the Insurrection Clause. Don't assume criminal convictions will deter Trump from running.
Hell, if the guy got an actual rap sheet with his name on it, that would probably really firm up his support with a lot of his victims, er...I mean supporters, since they could better identify with him as a genuine victim of government oppression and the Deep State. After all, who could actually get Trump other than the Deep State, since the everyday garden variety justice system institutions haven't laid a glove on him to date?
I can see campaign posters with his mug shot on 'em sellin' like hotcakes. And then there are all those media possibilities for new programs a la Life After Lockup, Criminal Minds, etc.
Interesting to note that MAGA "federal government haters" hail from states in which 8 of the top 10 are sucking at the federal trough are Trump/Red states, as are 16 of the top 25.
Appreciate your points, but if such reality takes place (I doubt any prison time), a larger segment of Independents and a small sliver of ReTrumplican'ts will never be able to support another befouled presidency.
It depends upon what he is tried for and convicted of.:
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
18 USC 2383
But yes, you could be a convicted murderer serving hard time and run for President and be elected (theoretically).
Point taken. The crucial thing is to continue to hammer at Trump's reputation. My fondest hope is that Bill Barr, under questioning from Liz Cheney, will repeat publicly what he told Jonathon Karl: Trump's claims of election fraud are all bullshit. Get people to recognize The Big Lie is a lie, and Trump is instantly transformed into a pathetic figure.
I think you may be overestimating people's wilingness to admit their ability to be conned. If you are still with Trump, you are not capable of being convinced of anything other than what he says is true.
There is NOTHING, literally NOTHING--no data, no argument, that will convince these people that the election was not stolen. Trying to convince these people of that is a fools errand.
You CAN convince more reasonable people--but there is a segment of the population that MUST believe this in order for the universe to work for them. It becomes the equivalent of a crisis of religious faith.
The hope is that there are enough reasonable people to understand this and vote accordingly in the future.
And remember that a number of these reasonable people will go along with this BS because it serves their own ambition (IOW, a lot of the current GoP politicians).
Barr has already said as much publicly. Speaking the truth just makes you another pawn of the Deep State to these people.
Live testimony in prime time before a congressional committee could have an impact. It's a numbers game - keep chipping away.
I was surprised by a 19 year old neighbor kid a few days ago. He's studying to be an electrician and grew up in a MAGA household. A couple years ago in high school shop he made a "Trump 2020" sign. But he asked me, "Is that asshole(Trump) really going to run again?"
Let's hope if that asshole does run again your young neighbor will cast a ballot for his Democratic opponent.
It's just astonishing that someone like Trump could never be hired for a position requiring a security clearance, yet he's totally cleared to be President. And, as President, he's positioned to make nepotistic White House appointments and override flags in their clearance checks. If there is any silver lining in the Trump presidency, it is the extent to which he exposed flaws in our system just by his very corrupt nature. But, nothing will be done to address those flaws, so there goes the silver lining.