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Katherine B Barz's avatar

Hubby McGee, Biden changed the withdrawal date from May to August to get more people out. When Felon Trump left office he had no logistical plan, none at all, to complete the orderly evacuation of either personnel or equipment within the agreed timeframe. If you would go to white house.gov you may see that Biden’s administration was not given any plans for evacuation because there were none. But the withdrawal date was three months away. Biden did want a September withdrawal date. How do you think the Taliban would have accepted that! 100%? No!

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Hubby McGee's avatar

Katherine again, respectfully, no excuse. Biden was president. I'm a retired Army officer. 90 days is plenty of time to plan an effective withdrawal. Respectfully, please don't patronize me with a whitehouse.gov link. I'm a multiple deployed Iraq War vet - and led soldiers down range - and was permanently disabled while preparing for a deployment to Afghanistan. It is unwise to fall into the trap of believing "your guy" can do no wrong on military operations. He fucked up. Hundreds if not thousands of Afghan refugees died because of this fuck up. Senior leaders in the Biden administration knows this.

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John's avatar

What would have the withdrawal looked like if not botched? Don’t think the Afghans were going to throw bouquets of flowers at our departing troops. We were turning things over to the Taliban after the government had basically collapsed.

Even if we had taken an extra 6 months to withdraw, I still think there would be more casualties during that time also. And things would have still been messy.

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Katherine B Barz's avatar

Respectfully don’t patronize me with your military smarts. The link shows that there was no plan three months before the pullout date. My guy? I am pointing out actual facts about this. Your record does not give you the right to negate facts. Explain how the withdrawal could have been done more effectively if there were no plans in February, with a pullout in May. Felon Trump didn’t give a rat’s ass about the Afghanistan people, secretly agreeing with the Taliban and excluding the legitimate government. Reducing troop levels to 2,500 soldiers shows contempt for those people when he released 7,000 Taliban fighters. I think it is your guy you are protecting, and he doesn’t deserve your concern.

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Hubby McGee's avatar

Wow. Some people can’t take criticism. And don’t confuse my criticism of Biden that I’m defending Trump’s actions. You obviously don’t know me. Trump can be wrong and Biden can still botch a withdrawal. Sorry I don’t agree with you. Send me to a reeducation camp. When did the Bulwark become a place where military veterans who have been involved in redeployment plans can’t criticize a botched withdrawal that resulted in civilian deaths. Ok. You do your thing.

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Howid's avatar

Bush failed at Tora Bora, Obama should have gotten out after they killed Bin Laden, Trump dithered and then negotiated a bad deal to pull out. Biden executed the evacuation badly. Did I miss anyone?

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Hubby McGee's avatar

Exactly. Some people can’t admit Biden made an obvious mistake. It’s a very unhealthy way to go through life. It’s one of the annoying things about Trump.

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Jeffinator's avatar

I respect your view, but I don't think that any president, Trump included, could've managed the end days in Afghanistan much better. The collapse of the afghan army reminded me of Saigon in '75 (I was 18) and when there is chaos like that, it would seem to be difficult to manage an orderly withdraw but in either case, I wasn't there.

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