The Democrats had no obligation to help Kevin keep his speakership. None at all. The majority has the responsibility of choosing their leadership, not the minority. And especially not after Kevin McCarthy stabbed them in the back - again - after they came to his rescue to prevent the government shutdown. In fact, more Democrats than republicans helped ole Kevin.
The Democrats weren't 'siding with the Gaetz' wing. They were sending a message about the consequences of being a backstabber.
Eye for eye, right? Will Jim Jordan be able to negotiate a spending bill in 40 days? Will Scalese get aid for Ukraine? Will they even try? McCarthy was an ass, but he kept the wheels of government (more or less) turning. Dems traded that in for chaos, for which they will be blamed. They may have been justified in giving McCarthy the shiv, but it doesnтАЩt seem to have been a smart moveтАФunless they have some grand plan, a way out, which seems improbable.
IтАЩm wondering how the Republicans come up with anyone in their caucus who wants the terrible job AND who can get a near unanimous vote of the GOP members. Unless.... if Trump is actually nominated and he doesnтАЩt immediately decline, who would actually against the MAGA king except the Democrats? The sh*t show just keeps getting sh*ttier.
McCarthy could have done the very thing you are chastising Dems for not doing. He specifically said, repeatedly I might add, that he wasnтАЩt going to negotiate for Dem votes.
The Democrats are in no way responsible for the republican dysfunction in the house. THEY have no responsibility for what happened yesterday. THEY didn't cause the republican civil war. THEY didn't vote for the rule that Kevin negotiated that allowed a single member to call for vacating the chair. THEY've done everything they could to keep the government running - averting two government shutdowns when Kevin McCarthy couldn't control his own caucus.
I'm sick to death of Democrats getting blamed every damned time the republicans blow things up. As for an 'eye for eye', you can't be serious? Even after Kevin shivved them and the President over the debt ceiling deal, they STILL came to his rescue last week to keep the government running.
How about The Party of Personal Responsibility taking some for a change? How about that?
So Dems sided with Gaetz, hardly a stance to be proud of. We are supposed to be above pettiness. RтАЩs go low, we go high. The interests of the country were ill served yesterday.
I'd like to see what shakes out in the next week or so. I think if the Dems had "come to the rescue" they simply would have been preserving the staus quo. Kevin and the rest of the cowardly bunch would have continued trashing Biden and the Dems, they wouldn't budge on aid for Ukraine, and they wouldn't face the music for empowering the radical fringe. Maybe they will consider changing the rule allowing one person the ability to motion to vacate the chair. Maybe they will censure Gaetz or throw him out of the Republican party. Some are already painting Gaetz as a traitor for siding with the "AOC, Squad, Democrats". I think the interests of the country might be better served if they nominated a speaker that wouldn't empower the crazy caucus. Maybe the next one up for the gavel might figure out they have to play nicer with the Dems if they don't want to end up like Kevin. And they might even get some help across the aisle with isolating some of the looneys (wishful thinking).
Ukraine aid is in greater jeopardy today than it was yesterday. The names being floated to replace McCarthy are more extreme, more MAGA, not less. Maybe saner heads will prevail. Maybe moderate members can pull a rabbit out of a hat. But as of now, status quoтАФbad as it wasтАФwas better than the chaos that seems likely to ensue.
Blame Gaetz and his ilk - and Kevin McCarthy for being willing to put his head in their noose just so he could hold the Speaker's gavel. Your ire at the Democrats is misplaced. It sounds exactly like the excuse-making coming from the house Rs and their media mouthpieces.
True, but siding with the Gaetz wing was not a better option.
It wasnтАЩt siding with the Gaetz wing. ThatтАЩs objectively not what Democrats were doing.
With whom did they vote? It was GaetzтАЩs initiative for heavenтАЩs sake.
They voted against McCarthy. They didnтАЩt vote for Gaetz. You can lay all your outrage at the feet of Kevin McCarthy.
The Democrats had no obligation to help Kevin keep his speakership. None at all. The majority has the responsibility of choosing their leadership, not the minority. And especially not after Kevin McCarthy stabbed them in the back - again - after they came to his rescue to prevent the government shutdown. In fact, more Democrats than republicans helped ole Kevin.
The Democrats weren't 'siding with the Gaetz' wing. They were sending a message about the consequences of being a backstabber.
Eye for eye, right? Will Jim Jordan be able to negotiate a spending bill in 40 days? Will Scalese get aid for Ukraine? Will they even try? McCarthy was an ass, but he kept the wheels of government (more or less) turning. Dems traded that in for chaos, for which they will be blamed. They may have been justified in giving McCarthy the shiv, but it doesnтАЩt seem to have been a smart moveтАФunless they have some grand plan, a way out, which seems improbable.
IтАЩm wondering how the Republicans come up with anyone in their caucus who wants the terrible job AND who can get a near unanimous vote of the GOP members. Unless.... if Trump is actually nominated and he doesnтАЩt immediately decline, who would actually against the MAGA king except the Democrats? The sh*t show just keeps getting sh*ttier.
McCarthy could have done the very thing you are chastising Dems for not doing. He specifically said, repeatedly I might add, that he wasnтАЩt going to negotiate for Dem votes.
The Democrats are in no way responsible for the republican dysfunction in the house. THEY have no responsibility for what happened yesterday. THEY didn't cause the republican civil war. THEY didn't vote for the rule that Kevin negotiated that allowed a single member to call for vacating the chair. THEY've done everything they could to keep the government running - averting two government shutdowns when Kevin McCarthy couldn't control his own caucus.
I'm sick to death of Democrats getting blamed every damned time the republicans blow things up. As for an 'eye for eye', you can't be serious? Even after Kevin shivved them and the President over the debt ceiling deal, they STILL came to his rescue last week to keep the government running.
How about The Party of Personal Responsibility taking some for a change? How about that?
So Dems sided with Gaetz, hardly a stance to be proud of. We are supposed to be above pettiness. RтАЩs go low, we go high. The interests of the country were ill served yesterday.
I'd like to see what shakes out in the next week or so. I think if the Dems had "come to the rescue" they simply would have been preserving the staus quo. Kevin and the rest of the cowardly bunch would have continued trashing Biden and the Dems, they wouldn't budge on aid for Ukraine, and they wouldn't face the music for empowering the radical fringe. Maybe they will consider changing the rule allowing one person the ability to motion to vacate the chair. Maybe they will censure Gaetz or throw him out of the Republican party. Some are already painting Gaetz as a traitor for siding with the "AOC, Squad, Democrats". I think the interests of the country might be better served if they nominated a speaker that wouldn't empower the crazy caucus. Maybe the next one up for the gavel might figure out they have to play nicer with the Dems if they don't want to end up like Kevin. And they might even get some help across the aisle with isolating some of the looneys (wishful thinking).
Ukraine aid is in greater jeopardy today than it was yesterday. The names being floated to replace McCarthy are more extreme, more MAGA, not less. Maybe saner heads will prevail. Maybe moderate members can pull a rabbit out of a hat. But as of now, status quoтАФbad as it wasтАФwas better than the chaos that seems likely to ensue.
Yes, they were ill-served because Kevin McCarthy chose his office rather than the American people.
Blame Gaetz and his ilk - and Kevin McCarthy for being willing to put his head in their noose just so he could hold the Speaker's gavel. Your ire at the Democrats is misplaced. It sounds exactly like the excuse-making coming from the house Rs and their media mouthpieces.