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I'm infuriated by your focus groups' comments on the FBI document retrieval operation... When Ms. Clinton was accused of improperly handling classified documents , Trump led chants of "Lock her up." When the Trump does it, apparently after essentially being begged by the FBI and National Archives to return the documents, it is FBI overreach. I have worked with classified documents, Trump's handling of classified documents should make him ineligible for high office. To be clear, I would've been fired and/or jailed for much lesser offenses. I cannot stand this excuse making one second longer.

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So DeSantis is considered "competent Trumpism" (an oxymoron, imo) when he's going to Pennsylvania to campaign for nutjob election denier Mastriano. DeSantis is not simply aligned with Trump's policies, he's championing election denial and divisive culture war BS as his most high profile national moves: "These democracy haters are good, but never mind that, watch how I stick it to the woke." He's learned from Trump people will forgive everything if you "fight" for their petty grievance and cultural stance. Newsflash, the center and center-right are fed up with these approaches. So "he fights", great, but for what, helping install authoritarians, dividing us further on cultural lines? Someone more competent at trashing civility and democracy is someone to rally behind because... he does it straightforwardly and unironically. Great. I'd like to hear a focus group of people who fully understand the people they're so thrilled with and the implications of how they're aligning themselves nationally instead of these knee jerk, "ooh he's tough" takes. It's just more fealty to incompetence.

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I love this show, but not this episode. People who didn't vote in '16 but voted for Trump in '20 are more Trumpy not less. Drawing conclusions from this group can give you ideas about Trump voters but not even Republicans in general.

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Have listened to many of Sarah's pods.

My conclusion, voters are simply not very good at critical thinking. Voters are mostly selfish and care only about their immediate needs. Voters aren't able to think of second order effects. Most of the people in these groups are just not very bright.

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One note about the Florida focus group: Val Demings NEVER supported defunding the police... but because she expressed support for black lives in the wake of the killing of George Floyd, she, a former police chief, is now tagged with "defund the police". This just proves how damaging "defund the police" was for the Democrats. Also, Biden should have made her the VP - that would have insulated the Democrats from being tarred as defunders of police (in part, by forcing them to talk more about crime) and it would give her a national profile while taking her out of "hostile" territory. In any case, she would have been better than Kamala Harris.

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Completely agree.

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Does anyone ever challenge these people when they say things like “in some states you can get an abortion a few days after birth…”? No one has ever said that and those laws are advocated for nowhere but “conservative” fantasy land. I don’t understand why these people aren’t shamed for their credulity and ignorance.

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Got to hand to DeSantis who kept setting traps for Dems and media to walk right into them. If Dems are half as cunning, we would not be in near as much trouble.

DeSantis does need a better fitting suit and may try a Elizabeth Holmes to lower his high pitched voice. Come to think of it, he is just as much of a phony as Holmes.

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Mr. Caputo is absolutely right about DeSantis positioning himself to run in the event Trump chooses not to run. If the opportunity comes he will be positioned to take advantage of circumstances. But NO DeSantis will never challenge Trump directly.

Also he had the most clear and accurate analysis of the political implications of the "Don' Say Gay" bill.

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So the voters prefer DeSantis because they "don't want to be told what to do" but Disney and book banning and the other ways he tells those HE doesn't approve of what they can or can not do - that's just fine.

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Again, modern conservatism in a nutshell:

"Leave me alone, but do what I tell you to do". Freedom for me but not for thee.

Ultimately, it is based on a belief that only certain people are worthy of freedom. It is a belief as old as the country, and has been the battle line between the left and the right since the days of Jefferson and Hamilton.

For centuries, Jeffersonian Democracy had progressed, first as Jacksonian Democracy (political freedom for all white men) to Lincolnian Democracy (political freedom for all men), then Wilsonianism (political freedom for all men and women around the world).

While many on the Right were upset by this, especially among the "Old Right" in Europe's monarchies, many on the small l liberal right were okay with it, and even supported it (TR, Reagan, etc.).

So what changed? Simple, FDR changed the game. He said that true political liberty and democracy cannot be unless you have economic democracy. So we got the New Deal. One can debate certain aspects of the New Deal and whether it worked, but there is no question that the impact of the New Deal are still with us to this day. On the Left, Dems even relatively conservative Democrats, became supporters of the idea that government had a role to play in preserving economic democracy.

The Right in this country lost its collective minds have been in a tizzy ever since. At first, it was unsuccessful, as many Americans, especially White Ethnics, supported the New Deal as well as many of the spinoff programs like the GI Bill, Interstate Hwy Act, Social Security, Medicare, NASA, expanded US participation overseas and the increasing defense budget.

It all began to unravel when JFK and LBJ proposed expanding the benefits of the New Deal to all Americans, especially Blacks and other POCs. Add to this the rise of Feminism and the LGBTQ movements, and the Right could no longer countenance America.

To the Right, America must either be what it once was before the Civil War or it must not be. To those who think this is hyperbole, just look at the tripe disguised as intellectual thought coming from Claremont, Heartland, American Renaissance, and other RW "think tanks".

At the beginning of the Civil War, many in the border states wanted a negotiated peace, presumably with President Lincoln resigning or surrendering some of his power, especially over the slave issue. Lincoln was no liberal on slavery; he had always supported the legal practice where it already existed. However, Lincoln refused to negotiate. As Lincoln said when the Confederacy bombed Fort Sumter, "We must not allow the Confederacy to accomplish by the cannon what it could not accomplish with the ballot". There was an election and the Democrats lost; therefore in a democracy the Republicans get to decide, not the losers. There could be no compromise on that principle, or the whole system of government would fall. You would end up in a Lebanon situation. We saw what happened next.

Again, people in this country need to prepare themselves for the possibility that this could get violent and we must also be prepared to respond accordingly. Sorry, but I don't see how this ends happily.

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It's not affecting them directly in ways they don't like. Transactional ethics all the way.

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yes - someone in my family is fine with getting rid of SS - because he says we need to tighten belts to keep the country afloat. Of course he is a boomer who has a really good pension and for him it IS just pin money. He's also a christian - but guess his version doesn't really require caring for those who have less than you.

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A certain strain of Christianity insists that caring for the less fortunate is an individual and/or church responsibility, not the government's. I think *maybe* that worked in an agrarian society or in the mythical world where all towns are the size and composition of Mayberry.

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