The point with Rittenhaus is that he was armed with an AR-15 at the moment the police apprehended him in the streets *after* reports of shots fired. They didn't know at the time of apprehension whether or not it was a defensive shooting, they just knew there was a shooting and they came across an armed individual without the need to imme…
The point with Rittenhaus is that he was armed with an AR-15 at the moment the police apprehended him in the streets *after* reports of shots fired. They didn't know at the time of apprehension whether or not it was a defensive shooting, they just knew there was a shooting and they came across an armed individual without the need to immediately kill him for some reason. It's a contrast comparison to what happened with Fortson where there were no reports of a shooting that had occurred and that he was openly armed in his own home rather than in the streets where a shooting had just taken place.
I don't believe police ever apprehended Rittenhouse, Travis. As I recalled, he tried to find cops to surrender to after the shootings, failed to find any, and finally gave up and returned home. He turned himself in the next morning.
"Video of the armed 17-year-old walking toward armored police vehicles and Moretti’s police cruiser without being stopped went viral and was held up by many as an example of white privilege and racial bias in policing."
"Moretti said Rittenhouse alternated between touching his weapon and raising his hands as he walked toward the squad car so they “weren’t quite sure” what Rittenhouse was doing. They yelled at him to “get out of the road” because he was blocking their way."
"When Rittenhouse wouldn’t move out of the way, Moretti said, he removed his own gun and his partner shot pepper spray at the teen."
Again, this dude was approached by police while armed with the AR-15 *after* reports of shots fired. They even drew their firearms and *OC'd* this kid rather than shooting him. The fact that he wasn't apprehended at the time of the encounter with police is *further* evidence of racial bias. If you're responding to an active shooting and come across a kid armed with an AR-15 who is not complying with orders then you should *at a minimum* zip-tie his ass and hold him as a potential suspect. Plenty of PC there. Teenagers do mass-shootings all the time nowadays.
Oh, OK, now I know what you're talking about, thanks for the link. We're both correct. Kenosha Police never apprehended him; they sprayed OC at him solely to get him out of the path of the squad car so they could respond to the "active shooter down the street." A lot of people white and black were carrying long guns that night and they weren't arrested either; as the cop explained, they didn't think he was the suspect because he wasn't acting in any way that murder suspects normally do while surrendering. So I don't think there was a racial motive.
That said, they knew there was an active shooter and here's a kid with a rifle jogging up to their patrol car, acting weird. I would have zip-tied him even if I didn't think him a suspect in a mass shooting, put his rifle in my trunk and him in the back seat, and proceeded to the scene. But that's just me.
Yea, that's the kind of response that would have made sense. Same with anyone else who was visibly armed at the time of response regardless of race, age, type of weapon, etc. Zip-tie immediately, then figure out the who dunnit part after.
Absolutely. Those two cops in particularly were lucky they weren't killed. If it HAD been an actual criminal walking straight up to their window with a slung AR they would have died with their seatbelts on. Once the mass shooter call goes out, to me, everyone with a gun is in zip ties until proven otherwise.
Yes, that's how I remember it. I didn't see the officer in the car pepper-spraying him, though maybe since he backed away abruptly it missed him.
FWIT, were I those cops in that situation, if I saw a kid with a rifle walking up to me hands up and then touching his gun and coming straight for my window, I would have been out of the car, guns up, putting him on the ground just in case he meant business. They'd just gotten reports of a mass shooting and here's this kid jogging directly toward the patrol car? That's a million red flags for me.
The point with Rittenhaus is that he was armed with an AR-15 at the moment the police apprehended him in the streets *after* reports of shots fired. They didn't know at the time of apprehension whether or not it was a defensive shooting, they just knew there was a shooting and they came across an armed individual without the need to immediately kill him for some reason. It's a contrast comparison to what happened with Fortson where there were no reports of a shooting that had occurred and that he was openly armed in his own home rather than in the streets where a shooting had just taken place.
I don't believe police ever apprehended Rittenhouse, Travis. As I recalled, he tried to find cops to surrender to after the shootings, failed to find any, and finally gave up and returned home. He turned himself in the next morning.
"Video of the armed 17-year-old walking toward armored police vehicles and Moretti’s police cruiser without being stopped went viral and was held up by many as an example of white privilege and racial bias in policing."
"Moretti said Rittenhouse alternated between touching his weapon and raising his hands as he walked toward the squad car so they “weren’t quite sure” what Rittenhouse was doing. They yelled at him to “get out of the road” because he was blocking their way."
"When Rittenhouse wouldn’t move out of the way, Moretti said, he removed his own gun and his partner shot pepper spray at the teen."
Again, this dude was approached by police while armed with the AR-15 *after* reports of shots fired. They even drew their firearms and *OC'd* this kid rather than shooting him. The fact that he wasn't apprehended at the time of the encounter with police is *further* evidence of racial bias. If you're responding to an active shooting and come across a kid armed with an AR-15 who is not complying with orders then you should *at a minimum* zip-tie his ass and hold him as a potential suspect. Plenty of PC there. Teenagers do mass-shootings all the time nowadays.
https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/kenosha-cops-explain-why-they-didnt-immediately-arrest-rittenhouse-fqgjTjwtFwad6mSp/
Oh, OK, now I know what you're talking about, thanks for the link. We're both correct. Kenosha Police never apprehended him; they sprayed OC at him solely to get him out of the path of the squad car so they could respond to the "active shooter down the street." A lot of people white and black were carrying long guns that night and they weren't arrested either; as the cop explained, they didn't think he was the suspect because he wasn't acting in any way that murder suspects normally do while surrendering. So I don't think there was a racial motive.
That said, they knew there was an active shooter and here's a kid with a rifle jogging up to their patrol car, acting weird. I would have zip-tied him even if I didn't think him a suspect in a mass shooting, put his rifle in my trunk and him in the back seat, and proceeded to the scene. But that's just me.
Yea, that's the kind of response that would have made sense. Same with anyone else who was visibly armed at the time of response regardless of race, age, type of weapon, etc. Zip-tie immediately, then figure out the who dunnit part after.
Absolutely. Those two cops in particularly were lucky they weren't killed. If it HAD been an actual criminal walking straight up to their window with a slung AR they would have died with their seatbelts on. Once the mass shooter call goes out, to me, everyone with a gun is in zip ties until proven otherwise.
If you want to actually see it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4stvfHLIgAQ
Yes, that's how I remember it. I didn't see the officer in the car pepper-spraying him, though maybe since he backed away abruptly it missed him.
FWIT, were I those cops in that situation, if I saw a kid with a rifle walking up to me hands up and then touching his gun and coming straight for my window, I would have been out of the car, guns up, putting him on the ground just in case he meant business. They'd just gotten reports of a mass shooting and here's this kid jogging directly toward the patrol car? That's a million red flags for me.
But nobody asked me that night!
It's pretty amazing that nothing happened to him.