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Kim M Murphy's avatar

It’s 100% about the possibility of having a black woman in the WH, even at TB. Nobody ever pins down why she couldn’t step in if necessary and do just fine with a Chief of Staff and a cabinet and aides and briefing books. It’s just no some amorphous code that we are all supposed to agree with.

They all disliked Obama, although nobody spells out why, exactly.

As Mitch McConnell said, they let us have a black president; what more do we want?

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Obama was extremely brilliant and had charisma. Harris is no Obama. I voted for her for Senate and I was eager to see her evolve in that role. But not as VP and never as Presidrnt. She would lose in a landslide. Witmer would be an excellent VP.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

In what election would there be a landslide? She’d be finishing the President’s term.

God forbid it’s necessary.

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rlritt's avatar

No, I meant if Biden bowed out and she ran in his place.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

Oh, I see. He’s not going to.

Let’s look instead at 2028. Joe is done and the field is wide open. Kamala has no advantage. Democratic VPs don’t automatically ascend. The same is true of 2024.

I don’t have much use for AB. She doesn’t have an impressive enough record of calling balls and strikes to keep my attention. She’s also the Angel of Death.

Warnock probably cannot get elected, not because he’s black but because he’s single. We don’t elect single men. Married men poll as more stable and trustworthy; I don’t make the rules. We don’t elect gay men either but I feel pretty sure Pete will be POTUS one day. It’s past time for pointless rules to fall. In the interim we don’t elect single men.

Not sure what Tim Scott was thinking.

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rlritt's avatar

What do you think of MI governor Gretchen Witmer.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

I think she’s awesome. I love her.

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rlritt's avatar

Me too.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

AB Stoddard. She wrote one of her sturm und drangy rants yesterday about replacing Biden and Harris with Whitmer and Warnock.

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Maggie's avatar

If only there had been a Republican candidate with a background comparable to Kamala Harris. Like a white dude who had been a prosecuting attorney in a major metropolitan city before moving to the national stage.

Oh wait...

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

That covers Cruz and Christie at least. Although either of them a heartbeat away from the Presidency would be terrifying, except I don’t think Christie would have couped.

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knowltok's avatar

I don't want Christie in the Whitehouse, but not only do I agree that he wouldn't coup, I also don't think he'd be automatically bad on foreign policy or any worse than replacement value on social issues.

And yeah, there's quite a bit of damning with faint praise going on there, but Christie for all his numerous faults, doesn't terrify me the way Trump, DeSantis, and now Vivek do.

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That Democracy Guy's avatar

At this point I'd be okay with anyone who isn't completely insane.

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Marla's avatar

Exactly. Harris wasn't my first choice as running mate, but I see no reason why she would not be a competent president. She's as capable and qualified as many others who have had that job.

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suzc's avatar

She was my choice for running mate at the time but I have been disappointed that she has not had better preparation for top spot during her VP stint, or better PR in general. I think within the party the issue is that she is not a glad-hander. IOW, Kamala has a Hilary problem. Both women are incredibly competent and experienced, particularly up against The Opposition. But not great "retail politicians" (is that the right term?) like Bill or Obama. And apparently competence isn't relevant to "electability".

Perception is Reality in politics. (Though I do recall Hillary actually WON the most VOTES in face of lots of thumbs on the scale from Putin to Comey.)

And Democrats always let the GOP frame the message, which is fatal. And it's happening again, with Biden's age. (Which I do worry about! He seems exhausted much of the time. He is too old to survive the aging in office of truly responsible presidents like everyone but TFG.)

As thankful as I am for Biden/Harris, I could get behind Whitmer/Warlock. But they have young children. And it is a dangerous game these days.

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That Democracy Guy's avatar

From what I've heard, Kamala Harris and Hilary Clinton are better with small groups and interactions on a personal basis than they are with speeches and media interviews. They aren't politically gifted at the same level as Gretchen Whitmer and Raphael Warnock. Or for that matter Gavin Newsome, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan. The same could probably be said for most politicians, Biden included. Though according to commentary I've heard Kamala can do well in debates if she is properly coached.

The Biden administration definitely needs to up its game with messaging and with pushing back against this constant drumbeat about Biden's age, Hunter's travails, and how Biden was somehow responsible for inflation.

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Jan's avatar

And she would have the support of the Biden Administration which is helpful to remember.

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knowltok's avatar

"They all disliked Obama, although nobody spells out why, exactly."

Tan suit.

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rlritt's avatar

Democrats like him a lot. He was elected twice.

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Sherm's avatar

Don't forget his taste in mustard. Dijon? History's greatest monster indeed.

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NLTownie's avatar

He’s got a (beat) tan suit with pink shoelaces

A polka dot vest and, man oh man

He wears (beat) tan suit with pink shoelaces

And a big Panama with a purple had band.

With apologies to Dodge Stevens (1959)

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

Dammit, I forgot. I thought it was how his black skin clashed with their white house.

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Aggman's avatar

That tan suit was one of the great tragedies of our time, according to Nutbag Digest.

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That Democracy Guy's avatar

Which is worse, wearing a tan suit or promoting the spread of a deadly virus and trying to overthrow the results of an election? Apparently for Republicans, wearing a tan suit.

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Color Me Skeptical's avatar

Just so I am clear, is this sarcasm?

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Color Me Skeptical's avatar

I thought so. 😀

Just checking. Thanks for confirming.

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Dianna Jackson's avatar

I liked the tan suit. It was because he was Black and had his nerve.

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Debra's avatar

He looked a lot better in that tan suit than any president since Kennedy has looked in any color suit

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JF's avatar

Yeah, it burned my eyes, just seeing it on TV.

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Kathe Rich's avatar

Even more galling was sleeveless Michelle with those pumped-up arms. What a hussy!! (eyeroll)

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JF's avatar

Haha! Michelle inspired me to pick up weight lifting!!

(Melania inspired me to look away.)

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

I never want another FLOTUS that we’ve all seen naked, please and thank you.

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suzc's avatar

Or near naked and posing with a big gun....

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JF's avatar

Same. Humorously, I recall an online comment shortly after Trump slouched into the White House, “FINALLY we have a First Lady with class!”

Oy vey.

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Keith Sherman's avatar

My father used to observe (of certain people): Lots of class - all of it Third!

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Mark W. Bantz's avatar

I saw a women say this. Sorry,old,trashy,uneducated white woman. Who could have guessed!

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JF's avatar

That’s more like it!

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Kathe Rich's avatar

Apparently to them, "class" = white. Hilary was right: they're deplorable.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

Oy vey is right. And that was before the Haindmaid’s Tale holiday decor and raping the Rose Garden.

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JF's avatar

To paraphrase a children’s song: “Some kind of class, is the kind of class, we all could do without”.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

Sorry, even what at VP? I’m too slow this AM to understand what you’re asking. I apologize.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

Oh, no. TB is The Bulwark. That’s what I meant.

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