This is very much like the liberal "Don't give Trump attention and he'll go away" belief.
By not talking about Biden's age, maybe you will feel comforted that it's not an issue, but a not insignificant portion of the voting public very much believes that it is an issue.
Many people voted for Biden over Trump to get Trump out of the White H…
This is very much like the liberal "Don't give Trump attention and he'll go away" belief.
By not talking about Biden's age, maybe you will feel comforted that it's not an issue, but a not insignificant portion of the voting public very much believes that it is an issue.
Many people voted for Biden over Trump to get Trump out of the White House, believing (falsely it seems) that both men would not be back in 2024 because of their age. Unfortunately both are back and age IS an issue, this time for Biden doubly so because he's the incumbent.
Again, it's not "don't talk about Biden's age." It's "Charlie is uncritically accepting the framing of the Trump campaign as the basis of his argument." By starting with "Biden is decrepit," you reinforce the idea that somehow Trump isn't in the exact same position, even if you later qualify it with "comparatively speaking, blah blah blah..."
I am sorta thinking that these automatically defending Biden types are actually working against Biden and for Trump.. (wanting Biden to be the Nominee , to make it easier to take him down)
But yes, nor only how do you discuss it, but how do you get the message TO BIDEN, to rouse him from his egotistical slumber and go "wow, if the stakes are as high as I claim, with democracy around the world and right here at stake, then WTF am I doing running, i am too Tired to do another 4 years and i need to see how if not My age, then My approval ratings are going to put the Democratic Ticket in Deep Peril."
Makes me wonder if it's not in as much trouble as he claims, maybe he knows something we don't know?
Other times I think " maybe the establishment needs a republican to win right now to offset their civil war chants; Or they know that from here on out, with Quality Candidates, that Democrat's will win most elections due to the young vote or something, and so need to give the Republicans one more term.
Or, maybe the thinking is that with Trump in the White House again, the country will go off the rails so much and the Republicans party will die its final death, after years of Attempts by the Powers That Be to help that along , via Trump and his particularly poisonous method that he uses on the Republican Party.
I mean , over the last 6 years I've often thought to myself" Trump is TOO perfect at Undoing the Tenants of the Republican Party.. Too perfect at it.
What i am saying is that i have over the last number of years I've detected a possibly concerted effort to Undermine first The Tea Party and then Undermine the Republican Party by calling to it's fold all manner of Nazi/Anti-government/Misogynistic/Authoritarian/mean, nasty and every other Anti " American strain, and cultivating it with precision and aplomb.
Like "they" are trying their hardest to cultivate all this evilness, to as quick as possible transform the GOP into this poisonous Bomb, made and gathered to Explode it and the Republican Party.
Maybe some secret computer model predicted that if left to our own devices, we would fall victim to a mood that allowed Authorizationism to flourish. And maybe the model predicted that it would be very bad. Like Actually bad.
Trump might be faking it, on the promise that he can gather as much money through fundraising as he can, and enrichment of his family, in exchange for Playing the Autocrat.
Because trump has always seemed to me to be a bumbling sad attempt at an Autocrat.
Where he had opportunities to do evil, it almost seemed staged
Like his calling Georgias SEC of State and asking for "I need, uh, 11,780 votes, one more than we needed" it sounds so staged to me (when i am entertaining these things as reality, which isn't all the time. )
Like he is dispassionately reading the number from a prepared notes ' things to mention that will ensure that you will get into Trouble with the Georgia State Prosecutors$
Like it seems like he is trying to Hit all the various things that could come back to bite him, because that's exactly what he wants, in his role as the Destroyer of the Republican Party. I call him "The Wronger of the Right" , basically employed to systematically destroy the Republican Party
I know its a crazy theory, and i only entertain it part time, while also entertaining other ideas...
But back in 2016 when Salman Rushdie said on Live TV that Trump was a Democratic Plant, i too was thinking that. But we were assuming that he was meant to get the Nomination but lose to Cruz or something
Imagine if Cruz had won, and trump still had stoked division from the outside, i think that Cruz or like we have now, Desantis, would end up taking away our liberties and what not.. maybe not all right now, but it could be the slow burn towards the Crisis that the Hypothetical Computer Program predicted..
Or, maybe the thinking is that with Trump in the White House again, the country will go off the rails so much and the Republicans party will die its final death, after years of Attempts by the Powers That Be to help that along , via Trump and his particularly poisonous method that he uses on the Republican Party.
I mean , over the last 6 years I've often thought to myself" Trump is TOO perfect at Undoing the Tenants of the Republican Party.. Too perfect at it.
What i am saying is that i have over the last number of years detected the outline of what is a possibly concerted effort to Undermine first The Tea Party and then Undermine the Republican Party by calling to it's fold all manner of Nazi/Anti-government/Misogynistic/Authoritarian/mean, nasty and every other Anti " American strain, and cultivating it with precision and aplomb.
Like "they" are trying their hardest to cultivate all this evilness, to as quick as possible transform the GOP into this poisonous Bomb, made and gathered to Explode it and the Republican Party.
Maybe some secret computer model predicted that if left to our own devices, we would fall victim to a mood that allowed Authorizationism to flourish. And maybe the model predicted that it would be very bad. Like Actually bad.
Trump might be faking it, on the promise that he can gather as much money through fundraising as he can, and enrichment of his family, in exchange for Playing the Autocrat.
Because trump has always seemed to me to be a bumbling sad attempt at an Autocrat.
Where he had opportunities to do evil, it almost seemed staged
Like his calling Georgias SEC of State and asking for "I need, uh, 11,780 votes, one more than we needed" it sounds so staged to me (when i am entertaining these things as reality, which isn't all the time. )
Like he is dispassionately reading the number from a prepared notes ' things to mention that will ensure that you will get into Trouble with the Georgia State Prosecutors$
Like it seems like he is trying to Hit all the various things that could come back to bite him, because that's exactly what he wants, in his role as the Destroyer of the Republican Party. I call him "The Wronger of the Right" , basically employed to systematically destroy the Republican Party
I know its a crazy theory, and i only entertain it part time, while also entertaining other ideas...
But back in 2016 when Salman Rushdie said on Live TV that Trump was a Democratic Plant, i too was thinking that. But we were assuming that he was meant to get the Nomination but lose to Cruz or something
Imagine if Cruz had won, and trump still had stoked division from the outside, i think that Cruz or like we have now, Desantis, would end up taking away our liberties and what not.. maybe not all right now, but it could be the slow burn towards Crisis that the Computer Program saw but we didn't have a Trump to ruin party.
BUT because Trump got in, he has been able to with lightning speed and without detection do everything in his considerable power to charm the people like a snake charmer, making them go wherever he leads
When i am believing This take, i am surprised that no one is able to detect what is going on
If i was right, i obviously wouldn't be the only one who has seen This.
Perhaps they, like me, have remained quiet and not wanting to share such an outrageous conspiracy..
Or perhaps they believe in the Operation and don't want to do anything to get in the way.
I think that if someone made this a viral conspiracy theory among the right and the believed it, that they would absolutely fall apart
If Trump has been a Democratic Plant all along, working hard to destroy the Republican Party and get all the would be Nazis and such to congregate on X (it's why Musk bought it, so he could finally be allowed to help the Great Work, the Cause) and have them all digitally registered as "potentially concerning" people to the FBI or whatever Org runs this thing, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Out of ALL THE ABOVE insanity, there could be something in it that you have always had a question about.
It's okay if not...
So, anyway, so yeah, in this Scenario, where Joe seems poised to hand over the WH, im wondering if the Program (or the Programmers) thought that Trump would be best served WITH ONE LAST HURRAH, TAKING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EVEN CLOSER TO THE EDGE OF TREASON.
And maybe upon finally doing something outrageous, Trump Dies AND THEN THEY RELEASE THE INFORMATION ABOUT TRUMP BEING A DEMOCRATIC PLANT, AND ALL THE FOLLOWERS WILL GO CRAZY, AMONGST THEMSELVES, AND EVENTUALLY LOSE INTEREST IN VOTING IN ENOUGH NUMBERS FOR THE NEAR FUTURE.
This would solve the Dillema my theory has which is " well once you cultivate all these Republicans to their side, what do they do? Like how are they eventually neutralized
Maybe the answer to that problem is that they are shown some sort of Proof they would accept that shows Trump being a step by step operation this whole time.
I bet that the Military would need to be called at first, due to the Rage that maga Will go though. But then after everything has settled, the right wouldn't know who it can trust and would likely cease participating in the elections.
TFG is most definitely mentally impaired and absolutely morally unfit for the office of president.
The difference is Trump has a cult that creates pictures of him sporting a body like 1980's Arnold Schwarzenegger. They would vote for Trump if he was nothing more than a brain in a jar with a ticket-tape LED screen scrolling MAGA!
Biden has to deal with a coalition that is not dedicated to voting for him no matter what. He has to deal with his perceptions in the voting public. He doesn't have the floor that Trump does and he doesn't have the propaganda machine Trump does.
So in our two-choice system, the choice between a visibly aged and declining Biden and Trump, enough people might vote against Biden or just not vote at all, to put Trump back in the White House.
We could remove every single bad actor in republican politics right now and it wouldn't change the dynamics because these are the people that the GOP base wants and votes for.
This is true but the majority of voters don't pay much attention to the particulars. This is why bumper sticker slogans are so effective and why actual policy doesn't have to match the rhetoric.
Agreed. I think every penny, every project, of Biden's term should have signs posted saying "Built By Bidenomics"!!! He needs his name out there connected to the positive. (I have come to loathe "close advisors" as self-interested but clueless about America.)
Ohhh... yeah. I'm a hard "no" on that. While I understand the sentiment, when this was actually done post 2008 with The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act it did not have the desired effect.
Large signs at construction sites with the names of prominent Democrats just reminded people sitting in construction traffic who they had to thank for that inconvenience.
Again, if we had a rational, competent voting public, signs letting them know that the improvement projects that they are seeing were brought to you by Biden. But I'm afraid it would have the opposite effect.
He does? I've been watching him for years, and he's always been awkward and not great at public speaking. What incidents make you think he's losing a step?
This is very much like the liberal "Don't give Trump attention and he'll go away" belief.
By not talking about Biden's age, maybe you will feel comforted that it's not an issue, but a not insignificant portion of the voting public very much believes that it is an issue.
Many people voted for Biden over Trump to get Trump out of the White House, believing (falsely it seems) that both men would not be back in 2024 because of their age. Unfortunately both are back and age IS an issue, this time for Biden doubly so because he's the incumbent.
Again, it's not "don't talk about Biden's age." It's "Charlie is uncritically accepting the framing of the Trump campaign as the basis of his argument." By starting with "Biden is decrepit," you reinforce the idea that somehow Trump isn't in the exact same position, even if you later qualify it with "comparatively speaking, blah blah blah..."
So, how do you discuss the elephant in the polling booth without addressing the fact that Joe Biden *IS* aging and *DOES* appear to be losing a step?
Exactly. You proved the point
I am sorta thinking that these automatically defending Biden types are actually working against Biden and for Trump.. (wanting Biden to be the Nominee , to make it easier to take him down)
But yes, nor only how do you discuss it, but how do you get the message TO BIDEN, to rouse him from his egotistical slumber and go "wow, if the stakes are as high as I claim, with democracy around the world and right here at stake, then WTF am I doing running, i am too Tired to do another 4 years and i need to see how if not My age, then My approval ratings are going to put the Democratic Ticket in Deep Peril."
Makes me wonder if it's not in as much trouble as he claims, maybe he knows something we don't know?
Other times I think " maybe the establishment needs a republican to win right now to offset their civil war chants; Or they know that from here on out, with Quality Candidates, that Democrat's will win most elections due to the young vote or something, and so need to give the Republicans one more term.
Or, maybe the thinking is that with Trump in the White House again, the country will go off the rails so much and the Republicans party will die its final death, after years of Attempts by the Powers That Be to help that along , via Trump and his particularly poisonous method that he uses on the Republican Party.
I mean , over the last 6 years I've often thought to myself" Trump is TOO perfect at Undoing the Tenants of the Republican Party.. Too perfect at it.
What i am saying is that i have over the last number of years I've detected a possibly concerted effort to Undermine first The Tea Party and then Undermine the Republican Party by calling to it's fold all manner of Nazi/Anti-government/Misogynistic/Authoritarian/mean, nasty and every other Anti " American strain, and cultivating it with precision and aplomb.
Like "they" are trying their hardest to cultivate all this evilness, to as quick as possible transform the GOP into this poisonous Bomb, made and gathered to Explode it and the Republican Party.
Maybe some secret computer model predicted that if left to our own devices, we would fall victim to a mood that allowed Authorizationism to flourish. And maybe the model predicted that it would be very bad. Like Actually bad.
Trump might be faking it, on the promise that he can gather as much money through fundraising as he can, and enrichment of his family, in exchange for Playing the Autocrat.
Because trump has always seemed to me to be a bumbling sad attempt at an Autocrat.
Where he had opportunities to do evil, it almost seemed staged
Like his calling Georgias SEC of State and asking for "I need, uh, 11,780 votes, one more than we needed" it sounds so staged to me (when i am entertaining these things as reality, which isn't all the time. )
Like he is dispassionately reading the number from a prepared notes ' things to mention that will ensure that you will get into Trouble with the Georgia State Prosecutors$
Like it seems like he is trying to Hit all the various things that could come back to bite him, because that's exactly what he wants, in his role as the Destroyer of the Republican Party. I call him "The Wronger of the Right" , basically employed to systematically destroy the Republican Party
I know its a crazy theory, and i only entertain it part time, while also entertaining other ideas...
But back in 2016 when Salman Rushdie said on Live TV that Trump was a Democratic Plant, i too was thinking that. But we were assuming that he was meant to get the Nomination but lose to Cruz or something
Imagine if Cruz had won, and trump still had stoked division from the outside, i think that Cruz or like we have now, Desantis, would end up taking away our liberties and what not.. maybe not all right now, but it could be the slow burn towards the Crisis that the Hypothetical Computer Program predicted..
Or, maybe the thinking is that with Trump in the White House again, the country will go off the rails so much and the Republicans party will die its final death, after years of Attempts by the Powers That Be to help that along , via Trump and his particularly poisonous method that he uses on the Republican Party.
I mean , over the last 6 years I've often thought to myself" Trump is TOO perfect at Undoing the Tenants of the Republican Party.. Too perfect at it.
What i am saying is that i have over the last number of years detected the outline of what is a possibly concerted effort to Undermine first The Tea Party and then Undermine the Republican Party by calling to it's fold all manner of Nazi/Anti-government/Misogynistic/Authoritarian/mean, nasty and every other Anti " American strain, and cultivating it with precision and aplomb.
Like "they" are trying their hardest to cultivate all this evilness, to as quick as possible transform the GOP into this poisonous Bomb, made and gathered to Explode it and the Republican Party.
Maybe some secret computer model predicted that if left to our own devices, we would fall victim to a mood that allowed Authorizationism to flourish. And maybe the model predicted that it would be very bad. Like Actually bad.
Trump might be faking it, on the promise that he can gather as much money through fundraising as he can, and enrichment of his family, in exchange for Playing the Autocrat.
Because trump has always seemed to me to be a bumbling sad attempt at an Autocrat.
Where he had opportunities to do evil, it almost seemed staged
Like his calling Georgias SEC of State and asking for "I need, uh, 11,780 votes, one more than we needed" it sounds so staged to me (when i am entertaining these things as reality, which isn't all the time. )
Like he is dispassionately reading the number from a prepared notes ' things to mention that will ensure that you will get into Trouble with the Georgia State Prosecutors$
Like it seems like he is trying to Hit all the various things that could come back to bite him, because that's exactly what he wants, in his role as the Destroyer of the Republican Party. I call him "The Wronger of the Right" , basically employed to systematically destroy the Republican Party
I know its a crazy theory, and i only entertain it part time, while also entertaining other ideas...
But back in 2016 when Salman Rushdie said on Live TV that Trump was a Democratic Plant, i too was thinking that. But we were assuming that he was meant to get the Nomination but lose to Cruz or something
Imagine if Cruz had won, and trump still had stoked division from the outside, i think that Cruz or like we have now, Desantis, would end up taking away our liberties and what not.. maybe not all right now, but it could be the slow burn towards Crisis that the Computer Program saw but we didn't have a Trump to ruin party.
BUT because Trump got in, he has been able to with lightning speed and without detection do everything in his considerable power to charm the people like a snake charmer, making them go wherever he leads
When i am believing This take, i am surprised that no one is able to detect what is going on
If i was right, i obviously wouldn't be the only one who has seen This.
Perhaps they, like me, have remained quiet and not wanting to share such an outrageous conspiracy..
Or perhaps they believe in the Operation and don't want to do anything to get in the way.
I think that if someone made this a viral conspiracy theory among the right and the believed it, that they would absolutely fall apart
If Trump has been a Democratic Plant all along, working hard to destroy the Republican Party and get all the would be Nazis and such to congregate on X (it's why Musk bought it, so he could finally be allowed to help the Great Work, the Cause) and have them all digitally registered as "potentially concerning" people to the FBI or whatever Org runs this thing, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Out of ALL THE ABOVE insanity, there could be something in it that you have always had a question about.
It's okay if not...
So, anyway, so yeah, in this Scenario, where Joe seems poised to hand over the WH, im wondering if the Program (or the Programmers) thought that Trump would be best served WITH ONE LAST HURRAH, TAKING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EVEN CLOSER TO THE EDGE OF TREASON.
And maybe upon finally doing something outrageous, Trump Dies AND THEN THEY RELEASE THE INFORMATION ABOUT TRUMP BEING A DEMOCRATIC PLANT, AND ALL THE FOLLOWERS WILL GO CRAZY, AMONGST THEMSELVES, AND EVENTUALLY LOSE INTEREST IN VOTING IN ENOUGH NUMBERS FOR THE NEAR FUTURE.
This would solve the Dillema my theory has which is " well once you cultivate all these Republicans to their side, what do they do? Like how are they eventually neutralized
Maybe the answer to that problem is that they are shown some sort of Proof they would accept that shows Trump being a step by step operation this whole time.
I bet that the Military would need to be called at first, due to the Rage that maga Will go though. But then after everything has settled, the right wouldn't know who it can trust and would likely cease participating in the elections.
Maybe.
A strange tale.
What makes you think TFG isn't EXACTLY as poorly... or moreso?
TFG is most definitely mentally impaired and absolutely morally unfit for the office of president.
The difference is Trump has a cult that creates pictures of him sporting a body like 1980's Arnold Schwarzenegger. They would vote for Trump if he was nothing more than a brain in a jar with a ticket-tape LED screen scrolling MAGA!
Biden has to deal with a coalition that is not dedicated to voting for him no matter what. He has to deal with his perceptions in the voting public. He doesn't have the floor that Trump does and he doesn't have the propaganda machine Trump does.
So in our two-choice system, the choice between a visibly aged and declining Biden and Trump, enough people might vote against Biden or just not vote at all, to put Trump back in the White House.
Sadly, you're right.
It isn't better politicians we need as much as better (rational, informed, democratic) voters/citizens.
I believe this is JVL's position. https://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/the-people-are-the-problem-part-17502
We could remove every single bad actor in republican politics right now and it wouldn't change the dynamics because these are the people that the GOP base wants and votes for.
And yet, the base is in no way big enough to elect anyone to national office, without help from other voters.
This is true but the majority of voters don't pay much attention to the particulars. This is why bumper sticker slogans are so effective and why actual policy doesn't have to match the rhetoric.
Agreed. I think every penny, every project, of Biden's term should have signs posted saying "Built By Bidenomics"!!! He needs his name out there connected to the positive. (I have come to loathe "close advisors" as self-interested but clueless about America.)
Ohhh... yeah. I'm a hard "no" on that. While I understand the sentiment, when this was actually done post 2008 with The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act it did not have the desired effect.
Large signs at construction sites with the names of prominent Democrats just reminded people sitting in construction traffic who they had to thank for that inconvenience.
Again, if we had a rational, competent voting public, signs letting them know that the improvement projects that they are seeing were brought to you by Biden. But I'm afraid it would have the opposite effect.
He does? I've been watching him for years, and he's always been awkward and not great at public speaking. What incidents make you think he's losing a step?