I beg to differ with Mona’s take that “what if the democrats go too far on abortion.”
Pro-choice people know these types of abortions happen. They wish they didn’t but they know they happen. I know this is hard for republicans to understand but making laws require tradeoffs. Let’s say there are 500k abortions that happen a year. Let’s say…
I beg to differ with Mona’s take that “what if the democrats go too far on abortion.”
Pro-choice people know these types of abortions happen. They wish they didn’t but they know they happen. I know this is hard for republicans to understand but making laws require tradeoffs. Let’s say there are 500k abortions that happen a year. Let’s say 90% of them happen before viability. That means there are 50k women in the country who are looking to get an abortion after viability. 99% are for the life of the mother or fetal viability, or disease or whatever. That leaves about 500 women who are doing what you and I would describe as not ideal. I am willing to trade making the life of those 50k women easier then try and prevent (and let’s be serious if you want to get an abortion you are going to get an abortion regardless if it’s legal or illegal) those 500 women from having a baby they don’t want. It sucks but in my opinion that is a worthwhile trade off.
The anti-abortion people are now dealing with reality. For 50 years they never had to worry about the nuances of their position just “I’m for life. No babies should die.” Now we get to see what the anti abortion movement really means and I hate to say it, the pro choice view of the movement was spot on. It’s about the control. It has never been about life otherwise they would t be letting pregnant women bleed out in emergency rooms instead of saving the mother.
Under Roe, in every state but one or two, post-viability abortions (other than for life or health) were illegal. And there are only anecdotal claims that they happened at all in that small handful of states. Can you provide more information behind your statement that pro-choice folks “know these abortions happen”? (Genuinely, I’d like to know if I’m mistaken).
They happen. There is a doctor in Colorado who is the best in the country at doing them. 2/3rds of his cases are not for life of the mother or fetus viability. To be fair he is like the only doctor in the country that does it. Sarah, Tim and jvl talked about this before as well.
But let’s be real I’m just giving round numbers to make the math easier (None of the numbers I gave you are factual). It could 5 or 50 or 500 but they do happen.
This is the problem with republicans though. They have and still argue that we can’t rely on a doctor to say for the life of the mother because what if it’s 1% or 10% or 50%. That’s why I’m glad they have to own this issue now. Let them explain why they will allow a mother to die because they didn’t trust the doctor.
These issues are hard and there are edge cases in every scenario. They haven’t governed in so long and now they have to own their edge cases.
Yeah not that late. I think that late something had to “seriously” go wrong. I also think they need more doctors available because it becomes a full blown surgery to save the baby or save the women.
I beg to differ with Mona’s take that “what if the democrats go too far on abortion.”
Pro-choice people know these types of abortions happen. They wish they didn’t but they know they happen. I know this is hard for republicans to understand but making laws require tradeoffs. Let’s say there are 500k abortions that happen a year. Let’s say 90% of them happen before viability. That means there are 50k women in the country who are looking to get an abortion after viability. 99% are for the life of the mother or fetal viability, or disease or whatever. That leaves about 500 women who are doing what you and I would describe as not ideal. I am willing to trade making the life of those 50k women easier then try and prevent (and let’s be serious if you want to get an abortion you are going to get an abortion regardless if it’s legal or illegal) those 500 women from having a baby they don’t want. It sucks but in my opinion that is a worthwhile trade off.
The anti-abortion people are now dealing with reality. For 50 years they never had to worry about the nuances of their position just “I’m for life. No babies should die.” Now we get to see what the anti abortion movement really means and I hate to say it, the pro choice view of the movement was spot on. It’s about the control. It has never been about life otherwise they would t be letting pregnant women bleed out in emergency rooms instead of saving the mother.
Under Roe, in every state but one or two, post-viability abortions (other than for life or health) were illegal. And there are only anecdotal claims that they happened at all in that small handful of states. Can you provide more information behind your statement that pro-choice folks “know these abortions happen”? (Genuinely, I’d like to know if I’m mistaken).
They happen. There is a doctor in Colorado who is the best in the country at doing them. 2/3rds of his cases are not for life of the mother or fetus viability. To be fair he is like the only doctor in the country that does it. Sarah, Tim and jvl talked about this before as well.
But let’s be real I’m just giving round numbers to make the math easier (None of the numbers I gave you are factual). It could 5 or 50 or 500 but they do happen.
This is the problem with republicans though. They have and still argue that we can’t rely on a doctor to say for the life of the mother because what if it’s 1% or 10% or 50%. That’s why I’m glad they have to own this issue now. Let them explain why they will allow a mother to die because they didn’t trust the doctor.
These issues are hard and there are edge cases in every scenario. They haven’t governed in so long and now they have to own their edge cases.
From the Atlantic article about him:
“This means that Hern ends the pregnancies of women who are 22, 25, even 30 weeks along.”
So even with him, it is nothing like “up until the moment of birth” as was claimed in the podcast.
Yeah not that late. I think that late something had to “seriously” go wrong. I also think they need more doctors available because it becomes a full blown surgery to save the baby or save the women.