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Migs's avatar

If someone doesn’t vote for Kamala and they say it is her position on fracking…they were never ever going to vote for Kamala

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Bruce Lawrence's avatar

Fracking is to Pennsylvania what ethanol is to Iowa. It directly affects the income of a large minority of voters, so it will matter a lot in that state.

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Migs's avatar

Btw…if this were really true a lot of voters in Iowa wouldn’t have voted for Trump and yet…

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Migs's avatar

My point is this election isn’t going to be decided on issues. It will be decided on identity. If someone chooses to vote for Trump because of fracking they were never going to vote for Kamala. That’s like someone on the left saying they can’t vote for Kamala because she jailed too many people who bought/sold weed. TRUE. However they are looking for an excuse to NOT vote for her…and you can find an issue with any candidate.

A perfect example of this are the people at the dispatch and NRO who couldn’t vote for Biden because of age. FAIR. Candidate becomes Kamala now they can’t vote for her because of fracking…or too liberal…or from sf. They are just making excuses to do what they wanted to do anyway.

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Elizabeth McIlvaine's avatar

There are many people in Pennsylvania and elsewhere who don’t and won’t follow politics closely. If Harris wants to abolish fracking that alone may be a reason to vote for Trump. I wonder what Harris really believes? Many of her remarks in the 2019 primary were more nuanced than they appear from the clips.

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Migs's avatar

The administration where she is the VP has expanded fracking. She said it 5 years ago. She said 2 days ago she isn’t against fracking.

My point is that people will make an excuse why they were going to vote against Kamala but if it’s fracking or she is black or she is from California they weren’t ever going to vote for her.

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Bruce Lawrence's avatar

You could not be more wrong. It's like you have zero understanding of what is important to people. For most voters, identity is a luxury they can vote on when nothing important is on the ballot. When a policy that directly affects the voter's own job is on the ballot, that will ALWAYS trump everything else. And a lot of jobs in Pennsylvania depend on fracking - enough jobs to swing a close election.

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Migs's avatar

Bruce 13m people live in Pennsylvania. 220k work across ALL energy sectors (including coal, gas, oil, fracking and transportation). More jobs have been created in EV AND OIL/GAS since Biden/harris took office. So according to you…shouldn’t they all be thankful and vote in Kamala?

Did you not read the nyt story about the guy that was unemployed for 2 years that got a job at a brand new EV plant that was funded by the infrastructure bill but wasn’t voting for Biden because of traffic due to the massive amount of building that was happening because of the infrastructure bill? So you are saying that people doing nonsensical things won’t or don’t happen?

Kamala already came out and said she isn’t for banning fracking so obviously these people won’t hold what she said against her 5 years ago given how many energy jobs her and Biden created?

If you don’t get what I am saying than I don’t know what to tell you. Do you know how many republicans in poor states who are poor and vote against their own interests all the time? Literally Medicaid expansion in red states helped tons of white people and they voted against it all the time.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

I spent an hour today arguing with some guy who thought her position on fracking is really going to harm her🙄. An hour I’ll never get back.

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Migs's avatar

Lololol. I mean it isn’t a great policy!!! However, anyone who ever thought this election will be about “policy” is insane. I hope Kamala wins and I think Dems have a good chance to win the house but they are fucked in the senate, in my mind, no matter what.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

I think we monsoon the House and keep the Senate. It’s the first national election since Dobbs. No woman has forgotten.

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Migs's avatar

We shall see. I hope you are right

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