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Jeff the Original's avatar

Do you want a Dem to get elected or not? It's not about me...it's about the rest of the country which the Dems tend to forget about.

Do you really think that lengthy detailed discussion about health care was pulling in Republican voters? NO WAY.

If you want to insult me...fine...but you are also insulting probably 60% of the country who think similarly.

There are great points to be made about national health care but they were NOT making them...and the points they were making were far too geeky for the average American. Might be a sad state of affairs....but it is the state of affairs.

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Shawn's avatar

Indeed, one thing Democrats overestimate is how much americans actually care about facts. Most of them want things done, they don't care how it's actually done. Unfortunately we have a 24/7 press that makes its living covering how the sausage is made rather than actually discussing where it's going.

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Paul Mccrary's avatar

By that rationale, liberals never should have pushed for civil rights

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DJ's avatar

Civil rights were not won through disciplined messaging and attack ads. They were won from millions of TVs showing Bull Connor turning fire hoses on protestors.

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Jeff the Original's avatar

Again...please don't interpret my negativity over what was a National Presidential debate discussion vs. whether or not the Dems should be passionate about health care.

It was the message and timing that sucked...not the subject.

Perhaps it's better stated this way...the candidate who can persuasively communicate how important national health care is...will beat the candidate who knows the most about national health care but can't effectively express why it's so important and tends to think that "everyone" should agree with them (without a compelling argument).

Perhaps that's too simply put...but it is the point I'm trying to make.

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