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Terry Mc Kenna's avatar

Sorry but have you thought this through? This is a game of chicken. Biden is best saying little and getting McCarthy to blink. Sadly the GOP wants nothing. They are like a whiney bteenager who would cut off her nose to spite her face.

It is not that Dems love to cave but the weaker party is the one who wants something - like to pass good legislation.

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Travis's avatar

Dems are caving by entertaining hostage-taking with the party taking the economy hostage. They'll keep doing this every time they have a house majority under a dem WH until dems put their foot down and make the GOP own the default they're threatening. In addition, the public will get more and more numbed to this shit and it'll become normalized for the GOP to take the debt ceiling hostage every time there is a dem president. Remember all the shit we've been talking about since Trump came along about an assault on norms? This falls squarely into that window. The time to negotiate a budget is *during budget negotiations,* not during national debt payments. Keep letting the GOP run over norms and usurp the dems in public while the dems bend over willingly for them. I'm sure it'll keep going so well for the dems that way.

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Terry Mc Kenna's avatar

Sorry but I don't see that Dems really can do much. Again, it is like dealing with a teenager. The GOP was not like this in the 80s under Reagan. I may be wrong but the party who wants nothing holds the cards.

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Travis's avatar

Maybe the GOP got this way because the dems let them all along? This started when dems caved to the Tea Party and started negotiating with them when they pointed the default pistol at the national economy in 2011. Had they put their foot down and let the Tea Party push us into default back then the GOP would have taken the kind of political losses to discourage them from doing this shit again now. Instead, they negotiated with terrorists and set the precedent that it's okay to put a default pistol to the head of the national economy to get budget demands. The dems set the precedent back then and the GOP is simply picking the pistol back up again because they know that using it works against weak sauce dems.

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