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Jerry Patterson's avatar

Not "useful for hunter" except for feral hog hunters. They're essentially required for feral hog hunters. Nonetheless, I get your point.

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Brian Stayton's avatar

I purposely did not discuss hogs, since I was aware of slaughter tourism. I've hunted hogs too, with bolt-actions in 7mm-08 and .308. Lots of viable rounds available for hog hunting, not just .223. Although I understand the varmint control angle, I don't consider volume shooting from a helicopter to be "real" hunting. That's just killing. Call it what it is.

I completely defer to Travis over military capabilities. Although my son is a Marine now, I never served.

But the real issue of my reply was the wrongful conflation of cavitation, AR-style rifles, and mass homicide events. My point was that almost all rifles can cause cavitation. (Except .17s and .22s.) That's not why mass homicides happen. Mass shootings occur because deranged men can easily acquire semi-automatic rifles that shoot a light-recoil round loaded from high capacity, easily-switched magazines. It's rare that pistols are used in a random mass shooting (but the original article is right, those are more survivable), it's even more rare that explosive fertilizer is used, and I'm not aware of a bolt action being used since the University of Texas tower shooting in 1966.

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Travis's avatar

You can load .300 blackout into something other than a 30-round magazine for feral hogs. Also, shot placement counts a lot more than ammo capacity when you're taking down wild game. You could also just shoot something other than feral hogs if they're so dangerous in packs that you need a 30-round magazine to deal with them.

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Jerry Patterson's avatar

Shot placement? Hunting hogs from a moving vehicle or a helo essentially eliminates good shot placement. I killed 150 hogs from a helo over a 2 day period hunting on a ranch near Laredo - right on the Rio Grande. It's volume of fire and a little but fast bullet out of a high cap mag is the only way to go. The exception is shooting the solo hog who doesn't know youre there. Not sure what a .300 blackout is but I doubt there's a high cap mag for it. Feral hogs are a big problem. A sow will have a litter of 5 and 7 will survive...

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Travis's avatar

^This is why it's not really hunting so much as it is animal slaughter. Dumping rounds into packs of animals from a helicopter is NOT hunting. That shit is animal slaughter tourism.

If you don't know what .300 Blackout is and you hunt hogs then I don't know what to tell you lol. It's arguably the most popular AR round for hunting hogs that I'm aware of. It's also the best ammo for running a sound suppressor on an AR with. When you shoot 225-grain subsonic ammo out of a .300 BLK that has a can mounted on it, the only thing you hear it the action cycling.

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Kim M Murphy's avatar

Feral hogs are an infestation. They have to be destroyed. It has nothing to do with hunting for sport.

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Jerry Patterson's avatar

Nope. It is not tourism. Its varmit control. Hunting/killing in maas is the only method. Texas is over run with feral hogs to the detriment of vehicle, farms, ranches and native species. Killing hogs is sanctioned by Texas Parks and Wildlife and every other wildlife conversation org. I've hunted and killed a lot of hogs. Never seen ANY other rd used that a 5.56. Can your bias. You're not the expert you think you are.

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