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Rick's avatar

In the Infantry, combat veteran. I know exactly the effects and reason for the 5.56x45. All the minute details of terminal effects which all these writers discuss In agonizing detail does little to answer the real question. We are a violent bunch of people who beat people to death with bare hands and other objects more so than with long arms of any kind (FBI statistics).

Dysfunctional family dynamics, decline in mental health treatment, non-enforcement of gun laws, high recidivism of violent criminals, etc etc etc

How about figuring that out?

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I've heard this kind of argument before, and it usually goes something like: "since single suicides and homicides account for 95% of gun homicides, why should we focus on the less than 1% of gun homicides that come from mass shootings?" I usually respond with: "Since Islamic terrorism only accounts for less than 1% of American deaths each year, why should we have a department of homeland security?"

The point is about ability to prevent. We cannot prevent suicides and single homicides, but we *can* prevent mass shootings. You *cannot* do a Mandalay Bay Shooting that kills 57 and injures 500+ without a high-capacity semi-automatics rifle. You just can't. We can prevent the less than 1% of firearms deaths by banning high-capacity semiautos just like we can prevent the less than 1% of annual deaths in America by focusing on terrorism. It's the same reason we have seatbelts: you focus on the things you *can* prevent, rather than just saying "well, we won't prevent the other 95% of deaths by focusing on this so we'd better give up on prevention I guess."

And besides, the 2A community isn't asking for mental health screenings prior to gun purchases, so that shows you how little they actually give a shit about addressing the mental health aspects of the problem. They always talk about how mental health is the issue, and then refuse to incorporate mental health screenings into firearms purchases, so going the "mental health" route in an argument is a pointless exercise because the 2A community doesn't actually take mental health seriously (which is why so many of them commit suicide in the first place--high access to firearms and no concern for mental health).

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Still no answer to how we deal with increases in violence and the breakdown in nuclear families, loss of moral, ethical and civil standards.

Semi automatic arms have been with us for quite awhile. Guns haven’t changed, people holding them have. Mental health screening, back ground checks prior to gun purchasing are welcome by all the responsible gun owners I know. Most are “AR” owners as well as handgun owners, Dems and GOP. None of them are crazed 2A militants. Yet we all believe in the 2A.

It’s a tired trope, “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” anti-gun folks make fun of 2A folks with. But it’s simplicity belies obvious truth.

At the 1775 battle of Concord and Lexington, Colonial forces of volunteers armed with a mixture of muskets and ‘long-rifles’ fought British Regulars armed with ‘Brown Bess’ muskets - the modern standard military firearms of the time. The point? To fight oppression you need to be similarly armed to exact the same damage to them as they are doing to you. But the State is All powerful- it has heavier weapons and will crush whoever challenges it - so challenging the State is pretty serious business. It’s the US Constitution that keeps us between the white lines. But only if we want to.

Opponents to the both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, then and now, do not understand the finer meaning of self-defense as it applies to state tyranny.

How does one defeat a future Trump state regime run rampant, or a Progressive-fascist regime running against Constitutional law? What if the military backs Trump narcissist paranoia or a Leftist fascist regime seeks to limit power, liberty and freedom to an elite oligarchy? God forbid that should ever come to pass.

I can assure you, if Trump were to seize power and turn the military into his private army all those anti gun-anti 2A folks would be scrambling to find a Saturday nite special or “unregistered 30 round semi-auto.” They’d pay big bucks, too.

Will the oppressed want succession? Civil war? How does that happen?

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