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Jeff the Original's avatar

Funny how so many countries have citizens that want to be in the US. Perhaps our way of government isn't 100% exportable, but for centuries people have flocked to our country despite our flaws. They seem to appreciate it so much more than some of us who live here.

So many Monday morning quarterbacks on the blog today...not appreciating what we do have which is in large part due to the Founding Fathers.

They weren't perfect, our country isn't perfect, but it certainly doesn't mean that the FF's efforts shouldn't be discussed and appreciated in their context.

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J. Andres Hannah-Suarez's avatar

Brother I'm Canadian. Lived in Mexico (upper-middle class) till I was 8 years old.

In my experience, people flock to the U.S. mostly based on the propaganda, intentional or not, that Hollywood projects about the American experience. You ever notice how FUCKING AMAZING the U.S. looks in Hollywood movies? Whereas in personal visits to the like of Boston, Orlando, NOLA, NYC, the U.S. is fucking filthy and unsafe.

It's not Monday morning quarterbacking, this is your country. And at no point since the 1800's has the U.S. tried to replicate their chaotic system of government elsewhere. You have to acknowledge what that means--namely when people had practical challenges in establishing a government, your own countrymen rejected the principles of the Founding fathers in government.

Dude it's not even a remotely arguable point, based on the facts. The U.S. has one of the lowest levels of social mobility in the entire working world. Y'all don't have mat leave or pat leave, and American crime rates, especially gun deaths are near the top of the western world. Any immigrant that choses the U.S. over say Canada or any country in Western Europe, is frankly just ignorant.

https://equitablegrowth.org/the-american-dream-is-less-of-a-reality-today-in-the-united-states-compared-to-other-peer-nations/#:~:text=Contrary%20to%20the%20self%2Dconception,compared%20to%20many%20European%20countries.

I'll just finish with a simple fact: Canadians on average live 4 years longer than Americans despite, "our socialist medical system".

Newsroom summarized all of the above this nicely. Every fact cited is true:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQpEcPexI0

If you want to keep insisting that "'Merica is "the best country in the world" you may want to travel. I've travelled to some 30 countries in my life, and the U.S. would be near the bottom of my list of places to live in.

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J. Andres Hannah-Suarez's avatar

Ummm because if you lunatics elect Trump again he'll invade Canada when he goes full fascist.

And honey, I have no illusions you can help yourselves, much less will ever pay attention to a foreigner.

Are you fucking kidding me? The U.S. routinely invades countries with no sound arguments. Vietnam, Korean war, Iraq, Nicaragua, need I go on?

Just to be clear, you're saying the EXACT same membership I paid for doesn't entitle me to make comments?

Something tells me you wouldn't have made that comment if I identified myself as a white good-old boy from Calgary.

I should also note that your glib comment isn't even an argument.

Also, for the record, Mexicans have a faaaaaaar more established history in the southern States of the U.S. than you folks.

Pick up a history book once in a while, hon.

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Sheaster's avatar

Your motivation is fear of a U.S. invasion of Canada? That's what drives you? And the "ummmm" suggests you believe that idea to be obvious, correct?

So, you go to an anti-Trump website to sound the alarm because....cranky?

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Jeff the Original's avatar

Read the last sentence in my post...apparently you missed it. Actually...perhaps you missed reading my entire post...as it simply says despite our flaws...we are a popular destination for migration.

BTW...I spent 30 years in the Navy...and travelled the world and even enjoyed some Moose Milk with some Canadian "Sailors" in Panama. Well...I don't think they were Sailors per se but Canadian military members participating in a US Joint Naval exercise.

Thanks for not reading my post and hijacking it with some seriously misguided projection.

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J. Andres Hannah-Suarez's avatar

You apparently also have no idea how the comments section works.

You responded to a comment I posted. Why would you think that would naturally lead me to an unspecified original post that was NOT on this thread?

What, am I supposed to scroll the 300+ comments to see if you've said something sensible along the way? Don't have the time for that bro.

Don't care how much Moose milk you drank, it doesn't change the fact that the social mobility measures in the U.S. are horrendous as is basic healthcare.

4 year average mortality rate issue should be concerning to you. But naw, let me guess, you're fine with just putting out big ass American flags and your fellow citizens die of preventable causes solely because of your stubbornness.

Though let me add, do not construe this in any way as an invitation to move to Canada. We have our own immigration criteria, and I doubt you'd qualify.

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Jeff the Original's avatar

Here's an excerpt from my post:

"They [Founding Fathers] weren't perfect, our country isn't perfect, but it certainly doesn't mean that the FF's efforts shouldn't be discussed and appreciated in their context."

Here's an excerpt from your post (that was a response to mine):

"If you want to keep insisting that "'Merica is "the best country in the world" you may want to travel. "

WTF is your problem? It's as if you didn't read mine at all. I never said or even implied that America is the best...I simply said that we attract a lot migrants which should stand for something.

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J. Andres Hannah-Suarez's avatar

I told you already, your original post was in no way linked to what you replied. Meaning that the only way I'd know about your original post was to comb through 300 random comments.

Hello, boomer!

Sir, just figure out how the comment section ACTUALLY works, then return for a chat.

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Jeff the Original's avatar

Well...all I can say is that I'm here looking at my screen and your and my posts on all on the same thread. My quotes were from this thread...so I have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

I'm coming around to realizing that this shouldn't surprise me at all based on the aggregate of your replies to me and others.

You're not like most of the Canadians I've met and known.. They were nice people who didn't have a burr in their saddle about their southern neighbors.

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