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Katy Namovicz's avatar

“Republicans *may* try the same thing when Democrats are in control.” And there is our problem in a nutshell. 1) The Republicans have already used those same tactics when they are in the minority— have been for YEARS. 2) Congress seems to have completely abandoned its Article I powers and responsibilities. It’s very clear that to them being in the Congress is just the most rudimentary and juvenile game. It’s literally like watching kindergarteners learning how to share toys or agree on the rules of the game.

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Phil De Luca's avatar

Trump was bestie with Jeffrey. Trump didn't pay him like Jeffrey's other "clients' Trump was a part of the top level. Close friends don't charge other close friends. They just share the spoils. And they both loved the spoils. In fact mar a lago was a perfect location for Maxwell to select woman and girls that Donnie liked but wouldn't touch while working for him, So effectively Maxwell and Trump supplied girls for Epstein and Trump got to play at the top of the game. Now Don's lawyer meets alone with Maxwell and tells her to keep her mouth shut no matter what or else. You know the else part. Just like Don threatens those that threaten him. 'you will disappear or maybe commit suicide' It's all over. When you are desparate beyound all reason you do desparate things. He'll cover it up by giving her a pardon. And you'll never hear an honest word from Todd. He will do anything and everything possible not to be found out his connections with Jeff and the 'SECRETS' they shared together over all those GOOD YEARS. (just in my opinion of course)

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Kim Sherwood's avatar

Despite his campaign claim to "protect women", trump protects himself and the trump crime family--period.

The unaltered files have victim testimony and various forms of documentation about the crime scenes. It's an obscenity that the victims are being disregarded to protect disclosure of the rich and powerful, whomever they are, regardless of political affiliation.

We The People should not let this story be reconfigured to lose sight of the criminality and depravity of those involved in perpetrating the crimes against the girls who were on the wrong side of the power imbalance between them and their rapists.

I'd like to think this is something even most MAGA adherents would agree with, especially if it were their daughter, sister, niece, etc.

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Kristopher Giesing's avatar

> Given that the files are simply files, they are irritatingly immune to Trump’s usual toolkit of story-shaping moves: They can’t be bullied, bought off, or intimidated.

They can however be rewritten. I’m quite surprised that a) this possibility isn’t more widely discussed and b) the regime hasn’t already done so.

I think ultimately this issue will boil down to provenance.

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David White's avatar

Now we are told that Trumpie is a great humanitarian. The usual adjectives are inadequate.

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Virgin Monk Boy's avatar

Only in Trump’s America could pardoning a convicted child sex trafficker be floated as a PR strategy.

They’ve tried everything:

Blame the files on Biden.

Blame the files on a deep state mime troupe.

Blame the printer.

Now they’re dangling a pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell like she’s some battered oracle who’ll finally spill the real tea—if we just give her a free pass and maybe a beachfront condo.

It’s not a strategy. It’s a confession.

Because only the guilty would treat the truth like a negotiation.

Trump can’t suppress the files, so he’s making a deal with the devil’s secretary. And his base? They’re so used to swallowing poison with a smile that they might just cheer him for it.

But let’s be plain:

You don’t flirt with freeing a trafficker unless you’ve got something bigger you’re scared of in those files.

And it’s starting to reek.

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John H's avatar

It would be ludicrous to take Trump's dismissives around all this a face value.

Trump is o-b-s-e-s-s-i-v-e-l-y engaged in deep calculus on the proposition of pardoning the woman.

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Kentuckistan's avatar

Trump was supposed to protect us from the "rigged system"

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SandyG's avatar

Now I know why Maureen Comey was fired. She prosecuted Maxwell. Apparently she didn't interview her enough if the game now is "getting Epstein’s top co-conspirator to AT LAST spill the beans."

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Allyson M Dyar's avatar

It's crazy how much hamburger costs these days.

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Rudyard Kipling's avatar

People generally consider pedophiles to target children 13 or younger. (That's in the Diagnostic Manual). The victims who have come forward (based on the video clips I've watched) were 15, 16, 17, but with no real sexual experience. I'm 79, so in my memory, 13-year-old girls in my classes didn't look like 13-year-old girls today. I don't have enough information about the victim pools to know the age range, but I'm sure she could start to groom a 13-year-old for introduction into the sex trafficking "business" at 15 or 16. Maxwell likely had the skill to identify the vulnerable girls and target them. At 15-17, this kind of abuse can lead to lifetime problems with trust, sex, and many other social skills. It's devastating. And it really isn't different if the girl/woman is 19-20.

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Rosemary Orlandi's avatar

when oh when will a brave reporter call out thune ? like, has he forgotten the tubers hold up of military promotions ?? I haven't

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RobinWriter's avatar

Beware the screwworm. No that’s not a new nickname for our dear leader and his Kennedy sidekick. As Chris Truax wrote, beef prices are going higher and a resurgence of screwworm surging north from South America (walls don’t stop flies) is causing alarm that even the NYT has noticed this week. Then, the WaPo has kicked in with its critique of mercantilism, that Gilded Age economic theory dear leader loves. And so we have a new version of “on the one hand, on the other hand” journalism as dueling economists chatter about dear leader’s conquest of the Europeans, and the varying pluses and minuses, so to speak, of mercantilism versus free trade.

Meanwhile, none of them seem to wander their grocery aisles, pick up a few packages and look at the “made in” line. Unlike the golden years of mercantilism when cabbage was the only seasonal vegetable for the working man, now we have olives and olive oil from numerous Mediterranean countries, crackers and cookies from Italy, Germany, Canada, Mexico, seafood from Chile, Norway and Thailand, Chile pastes from Korea and Africa, pates and cheeses from France, butter from Ireland, miniature peppers (a marketing coup) from Canada, varieties of sweet Mexican cherry tomatoes that taste like tomatoes, not to mention mangoes from Central America, pasta from Italy, stuffed grape leaves from Greece, wine from everywhere…Ok, so a 15-17% tariff is better than whatever horror the master negotiator first slapped on, but how many Americans want their grocery bills to go up by 15%, and their access to the world’s bounty to go back to cabbage and mealy tomatoes picked green in Florida and gassed.

And don’t even look in the medicine cabinet. Entresto, a very successful heart failure drug, is taken by almost 2 million Americans, according to Novartis which makes the drug in — Switzerland. We are all being gelded, not gilded.

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Kevin P Calabro's avatar

You know what he can pardon her and probably will. But it will never change the fact that he knew what this sick f was up to. And said nothing. Because he’d known for a long time. So don’t tell me this trump cult gives a f about girls and young women. They don’t.

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Ken Kiyama's avatar

I'm thinking bagman Todd Blanche didn't promise Maxwell a pardon, but that the DOJ would not oppose (and make some supportive noises) her petition to have her conviction overturned. I put it at 50/50 odds that Johnny R. and the gang would take action on the shadow docket, so there are no incriminating opinions filed.

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Carol S.'s avatar

Chances are they're trying to keep up a scheme that doesn't say "Trump pardon" in bold letters but is essentially the same thing.

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dean apostol's avatar

Here's the thing. Trump's entire support base would happily accept any new story that exonerates Trump and shifts the focus onto Clinton, and/or other Democrats. If Maxwell is the tarnished vehicle for that story? So be it. They will maybe protest a little, but then will run with it.

Why? Because Trump is their universe. Their God. Their L Ron Hubbard. Their Krishnamurti. The crust to their pie filling. Without him they are cast adrift in shark infested waters.

And I'm out of metaphors.

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E.K. Hornbeck's avatar

Their Jim Jones?

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Carol S.'s avatar

Anyone who can accept Donald Trump as an anti-corruption crusader and a champion of Christian values will have no difficulty accepting Ghislaine Maxwell as a heroic exposer of groomers and predators.

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dean apostol's avatar

Exactly. These are the people who thought Hillary Clinton kept kids captive in the basement of a pizza parlor. They just aren't that hard to fool. And Trump has known this for quite a while. So once again, what will look ridiculous to us will look perfectly reasonable to them.

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Manuela Senatore's avatar

Just a quiet reminder: it's not "abstract" beef — it's millions of slaughtered cows. Most are killed at around 2.5 years old, after being repeatedly raped and having their calves torn from them. Those babies are then sold as veal, leather, or blood serum. And the price? It would be even higher if this so-called product weren’t routinely propped up by subsidies. Words matter.

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CW Stanford's avatar

Words do matter. Support versus alienate for starters.

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