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Hilbert's avatar

My gen z kids are just as turned off by the gop because they have the opposite values on every issue they care about (environment, guns, lgbt, etc.). Also, they are the first generation to lose rights that previous generations had.

I have been saying for a long time that the gen z generation is not going to act like previous generations. I truly believe these kids are going to vote in massive numbers.

These kids have watched the adults fuck everything up that they care about and they're scared. Plus they can mobilize like no other generation before them.

I have high hopes / respect for their generation

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rlritt's avatar

Maga definitely appeals to the older folks.

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Mike Lew's avatar

I'm an Xer and it breaks my heart with how badly we let the younger generations down. In no way, shape, or form should a school active shooter drill have to exist.

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Hilbert's avatar

I agree. I tell my kids all the time. Don't do what my generation did. Get involved and be loud.

How active shooters could exist after Columbine if a massive failure.

I have no idea how to fix it but to be rejected by an entire generation should help

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Kim Nesvig's avatar

I hope so.

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Kim Nesvig's avatar

Agree. I was thinking how often these right-wingers insist that their AR 15s are preserving their liberty. How much liberty can one have in a country where schools have active shooter drills and people worry about getting shot at the mall, movie theater, a dance club or country and western concert.

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Hilbert's avatar

Especially when you look at other countries. It's not an impossible issue to resolve. We just don't have the stomach to take on the fight.

We have traumatize and entire generation because dude bros like to play rambo at the range and can't deal with any restrictions.

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Kim Nesvig's avatar

Exactly. And how many of these Rambo-wannabes are themselves the products of messed up, abusive households. More often than not, from the ones I’ve seen. Basically, disturbed people taking out their anger against innocent bystanders…now wrapped up in some sort of phony right wing political self-justification.

And sorry for belaboring the point, but now the 5th Circuit says taking guns from spousal abusers is unconstitutional because it’s supposedly not based in historical precedent. Let’s hope that twisted logic isn’t extended any further.

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Hilbert's avatar

I know a lot of them are overcompensating and using guns to fill pretty big voids.

In my experience, the people I know who own these ARs typically take them to the range once, then put them in a cabinet and never fire them again. I've never known one person who has ever used these for hunting and they're not practical for home protection either.

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Frank's avatar

Mainly because the ammo is crazy expensive. I like to target shoot, but use a "plinking gun" that takes cheap 22LR ammo. Can't justify spending the extra money even for 9mm.

I do know a couple of guys who hunt wild pigs with an AR, but they're a special breed of weirdo.

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Hilbert's avatar

Exactly and you can’t tell me there isn’t another riffle that you could hunt hogs with

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Shane Gericke's avatar

One hunts feral hogs with ARs because those predators are tough, fearless, travel in packs, and when you shoot one the rest will swarm to rip you into human Tater Tots so they can feast. Unlike deer, elk, and other game animals who can safely be taken with low-capacity rifles, feral hogs demand 30-round magazines because you might need every bullet. Hog hunters use the AR-15 as the best tool available for the job.

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Kim Nesvig's avatar

When my Gen X sons say, “OK, boomer, “ it’s not meant as a compliment. I’d be the first to acknowledge that my g-g-g-generation has fucked things up.

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Shane Gericke's avatar

Boomers did not fuck things up any more or less than any other generation. Like everyone else, we did good stuff and bad stuff.

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Hilbert's avatar

Now we have to get into the not all boomers discussion. Awesome.

Yes not all boomers are bad. Point taken

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Shane Gericke's avatar

I wasn't going for Not All Boomers. My point was that no generation is better or worse than another. The Greatest Generation had war heroes and war profiteers. Boomers produced presidents and serial killers. Gen X and Millennials are no more lazy than any other cohort.

Boomers did not fuck up America.

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Hilbert's avatar

Fair enough. For the record, I'm not placing all of our countries faults at the feet of the boomers.

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Shane Gericke's avatar

No, you didn't. Others do, though, which is the only reason I jumped in here, before the F the Boomers dogpile got too high! Have a good day, Hilbert.

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Hilbert's avatar

I understand the sensitivities.

Boomer take a beating because they are still a very dominate presence with our politicians.

I'm Gen X and we basically opted out of political roles. Hence why we get left out of the abuse when people bitch about generations.

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Shane Gericke's avatar

Plus, Boomers are such an enormous bulk. So many more millions of us than any other generation in our history. Our sheer numbers mean we affect everything, good or bad, and other generations get tired of the reality that Attention Must Be Paid.

I do wish Gen X had gotten politically active. Boomer politicians have stuck around far too long, and having the fresh blood of your energetic cohort would have been great.

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Hilbert's avatar

To understand Gen X you have to understand our upbringing.

We didn't see any difference between the parties / politicians. What was really the difference between Regan / Bush / Clinton.

The fact that we had a stable government and general consensus on our broad policies (i.e. funding the government, world policies, etc.) made us very lackadaisical. We assumed it made no difference because it would always be stable.

The Greatest Generation had the Depression and WW2, Boomers had the chaos of the 60's followed by the cold war, Millennials had the great recession, gen z has had non stop turbulence

Gen X had the luxury of peace and prosperity during our formative years.

IMO that's why a lot of us didn't take politics seriously until Trump. Now we realize that it's more fragile than we thought

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AMI's avatar

my kids say that, with the eye-roll too. (thank goodness I'm not a boomer, I remind them) and I agree with Hilbert, all the things my kids care about is what the GOP show contempt for. Showing contempt is the worse way to engage with this generation.

I grew up in Australia and have been working in Texas for 8 years now, it is NOT normal to teach kids active shooter policy - I believe its a form a torture (my kids do not attend a public school for mainly this reason) and you bet, they will be totally mobilized. my daughter is 16 and just cannot fathom how the government now has more rights over her body than she has, yet put individual rights to use a gun over the right of a community to be safe - and i agree with her!

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Kim Nesvig's avatar

Aside from the contempt for democracy, the right wingers have repeatedly demonstrated contempt for the rights of anyone outside their bubble, and of course, a total disregard for real, observable and solvable problems. My god, they were opposed to friggin LED lightbulbs. Today, anything they don’t want to think about is either banned or labeled fake news.

Freedom, baby!

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Hilbert's avatar

If these politicians would speak with these kids they would understand how tuned in they are.

They're paying attention and not happy.

If Trump / Desantis think punching down to a minority is going to work in their favor they have no idea the furry they will release from the gen z kids

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Kim Nesvig's avatar

Picking on minorities is what autocrats and would-be autocrats do. The smaller and weaker the target, the better.

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Hilbert's avatar

Hahaha

Yeah the boomer get a lot of well deserved flak but I know a lot of Regan Dem Boomers who have had enough of the maga bullshit so there's even a silver lining there

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