This was a great exchange of useful insights as to how we are now where we are with Trump. I had not known about Van Jones or heard him speak before this. He is a very impressive articulate thinker. JVL and Mr. Jones made a simple conversation an over-the-top great discourse of analyzing yesterday to find today. Thanks so much.
This was great, Van was refreshingly candid in his reflections about how the left got here. It’s a tone I rarely hear when everyone is thinking twice about who they might be offending or where they are headed career wise (still!!). There’s so much more to be said about how the billionaires are controlling both left and right. It’s so obvious and public on the right now, but ask anyone in the nonprofit sector and they’ll tell you how the rug has been pulled in many areas at the whim of the lefty rich since the election too. Anyone who can chart a way forward while flipping off the rich on both sides is the future.
OMG, the closing question and answer really woke me. What I heard was; we (Blacks) continue to believe in the system, via the Founders' DREAM of equality. According to Van , you whites ( with your untouchable-privilege-my words) , now know better what we feel; a lifetime in the USA without due process, for example. But we have learned to believe in the 'dream' while enduring the opposite. I will continue to ponder this stunning reality and my own naivete, in search a greater understanding. I am deeply inspired by this exchange, JVL and Van Jones, thank you.
Elon was radicalized by COVID restrictions in California. He wanted to keep his Fremont factory open and the state said no. Lorena Gonzalez in particular was furious because his workers were primarily Latino and she felt he was putting them at risk for his profits.
Come on JVL, Obama broke their brains because we elected a black man. For me, the last 10 years was really eye-opening because it was so out in the open. The system has always favored white men, but this was dragging it out in the open and daring us to say that it was wrong. I loved the expressions on Van's face and the tolerance that he showed, but I guess he's had practice. More like this please.
Regarding the "rebels" leaving the Democratic Party, is that really a problem? These people were not driven out by "cancel culture", they left because they are in large part libertarians who align more with with the "selfishness is a virtue" Republican libertarians and not with the "compassionate" Clinton Democrat libertarians.
Libertarianism is a false ideology: a) markets do not solve problems nor regulate themselves and (b) wealth does not trickle down. These are facts proven by history: regulation was implemented because of problems caused by the market, such as workers being hurt or killed at work and environmental degradation and the income tax with its high upper marginal rates creating our inclusive middle class.
We need a progressive Democratic Party that fights for the middle and lower classes and a sustainable economy that ends the destruction of our current extractive economy. Let the libertarians leave, good riddance, because they will simply make the GOP worse.
Totally agree - do we really want those "rebels" promoting there ideas on our side? They left because there bigotry and elitism fit well in the current democratic party.
Thank you for mentioning that SNL skit! Appreciate Van Jones mentioning sober, but idealistic! Connects to older Bulwark articles about the drainpool/Southern racist authoritarianism being a tool that the Republican Party thought they could use, but then got contaminated with.
Van Jones verbalized something which I think we all knew, but he also explains the consequences for it Paying a high price to dissent shuts down the innovation of our culture. Chase out the rebels ... the outmigration of the rebels. Van Jones gives such an amazing explanation for what the left created. His analysis is so, so, so on target.
We may be too late to focus on reality i.e. science. The Don and The Chainsaw and the MAGApublicans have destroyed the fabric of the federal government. It took the New Deal and decades to develop our former government and just 100 days for MAGA to burn it all down.
Not only that a good chunk of our country believe this shit as a result of the FOX propaganda and repeated lies over and over and over ...
This destruction has been underway since the New Deal and took off during Reagan. The following offers some facts for your perusal. It is worth the read and watch to understand how we got here.
Powell memo 1971 Paul Harvey blue collar radio Reagan "say no ill of other republicans and I'm from the Government Newt "no retreat" Gingrich Clinton the best republican the democrats ever elected Limbaugh democrats are evil all american voters are spectators. So here we are.
So, use your imagination now. What worse things are coming?
This was a great exchange of useful insights as to how we are now where we are with Trump. I had not known about Van Jones or heard him speak before this. He is a very impressive articulate thinker. JVL and Mr. Jones made a simple conversation an over-the-top great discourse of analyzing yesterday to find today. Thanks so much.
Guys, this was absolutely inspiring. How about doing it more often??
This was great, Van was refreshingly candid in his reflections about how the left got here. It’s a tone I rarely hear when everyone is thinking twice about who they might be offending or where they are headed career wise (still!!). There’s so much more to be said about how the billionaires are controlling both left and right. It’s so obvious and public on the right now, but ask anyone in the nonprofit sector and they’ll tell you how the rug has been pulled in many areas at the whim of the lefty rich since the election too. Anyone who can chart a way forward while flipping off the rich on both sides is the future.
OMG, the closing question and answer really woke me. What I heard was; we (Blacks) continue to believe in the system, via the Founders' DREAM of equality. According to Van , you whites ( with your untouchable-privilege-my words) , now know better what we feel; a lifetime in the USA without due process, for example. But we have learned to believe in the 'dream' while enduring the opposite. I will continue to ponder this stunning reality and my own naivete, in search a greater understanding. I am deeply inspired by this exchange, JVL and Van Jones, thank you.
Elon was radicalized by COVID restrictions in California. He wanted to keep his Fremont factory open and the state said no. Lorena Gonzalez in particular was furious because his workers were primarily Latino and she felt he was putting them at risk for his profits.
Come on JVL, Obama broke their brains because we elected a black man. For me, the last 10 years was really eye-opening because it was so out in the open. The system has always favored white men, but this was dragging it out in the open and daring us to say that it was wrong. I loved the expressions on Van's face and the tolerance that he showed, but I guess he's had practice. More like this please.
Extremely thought-provoking, especially the “black” perspective. I have thought about this so much and Van put the words around it. Thank you.
Regarding the "rebels" leaving the Democratic Party, is that really a problem? These people were not driven out by "cancel culture", they left because they are in large part libertarians who align more with with the "selfishness is a virtue" Republican libertarians and not with the "compassionate" Clinton Democrat libertarians.
Libertarianism is a false ideology: a) markets do not solve problems nor regulate themselves and (b) wealth does not trickle down. These are facts proven by history: regulation was implemented because of problems caused by the market, such as workers being hurt or killed at work and environmental degradation and the income tax with its high upper marginal rates creating our inclusive middle class.
We need a progressive Democratic Party that fights for the middle and lower classes and a sustainable economy that ends the destruction of our current extractive economy. Let the libertarians leave, good riddance, because they will simply make the GOP worse.
Totally agree - do we really want those "rebels" promoting there ideas on our side? They left because there bigotry and elitism fit well in the current democratic party.
Wow, what an interesting discussion. Big thumbs up for Van Jones. Thank you!
Thank you for mentioning that SNL skit! Appreciate Van Jones mentioning sober, but idealistic! Connects to older Bulwark articles about the drainpool/Southern racist authoritarianism being a tool that the Republican Party thought they could use, but then got contaminated with.
Socialists stand up to capitalists. We're not afraid of them and we do not "admire" their wealth.
Eeeeek this makes me so happy!
Van Jones verbalized something which I think we all knew, but he also explains the consequences for it Paying a high price to dissent shuts down the innovation of our culture. Chase out the rebels ... the outmigration of the rebels. Van Jones gives such an amazing explanation for what the left created. His analysis is so, so, so on target.
We may be too late to focus on reality i.e. science. The Don and The Chainsaw and the MAGApublicans have destroyed the fabric of the federal government. It took the New Deal and decades to develop our former government and just 100 days for MAGA to burn it all down.
Not only that a good chunk of our country believe this shit as a result of the FOX propaganda and repeated lies over and over and over ...
This destruction has been underway since the New Deal and took off during Reagan. The following offers some facts for your perusal. It is worth the read and watch to understand how we got here.
https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/powellmemo/
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2017/the-people-vs-america/phone/index.html
https://icjs.org/charismatic-revival-fury/
Powell memo 1971 Paul Harvey blue collar radio Reagan "say no ill of other republicans and I'm from the Government Newt "no retreat" Gingrich Clinton the best republican the democrats ever elected Limbaugh democrats are evil all american voters are spectators. So here we are.
Franz - to expand on your point:
https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/powellmemo/
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2017/the-people-vs-america/phone/index.html
https://icjs.org/charismatic-revival-fury/
I pray for heart attack or stroke