It’s just a tedious debate. It’s not interesting. And probably no longer applicable. It is now conservative to defend the 60-year/old sexual revolution. I am now firmly anyone who wants to upend the institutions that have betrayed us. Trump gets this. Maybe Bobby Kennedy does.
OK, two questions then: 1. Who is "us" in "they betrayed us"? 2. How did they betray that "us"? I will remind you that to betray means to "expose (one's country, a group, or a person) to danger by treacherously giving information to an enemy."
The FBI lied to Fisa court. The FBI conspired to infiltrate Catholic Churches. The FBI investigated parents who objected to school board actions. The CIA conspired to interfer with the last election by lying about the Biden laptop. I could go on.
OK. I know about one individual at the FBI, attorney Kevin Clinesmith, who pled guilty to one count of altering one email to a Supervisory Special Agent (SSA) by adding three words "not a source". The SSA signed and submitted the fourth FISA application to the FISA Court. So he didn't actually lie to the Court. And this is ONE FBI employee, not the entire FBI. Are you basing your mistrust on the entire FBI on one employee at the FBI who altered one email?
I don't know anything about their infiltrating Catholic Churches, so I looked it up. It is an ALLEGATION by the GOP-controlled House Judiciary Committee based on whistleblower testimony. So it is alleged and not yet proven. Testimony has to be corroborated by documentary evidence. Anybody can say anything, even under oath, and that doesn't mean it's true.
Re the investigations the FBI opened, they were responding to criminal threats against school personnel, not parents’ views about school curriculum.
By the CIA, do you mean 40 FORMER CIA officials who released an open letter stating that the release of the alleged emails "has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation"? If so, they were not at the CIA at the time and the CIA isn't responsible for what former employees say.
Trump is not a conservative. He is off the spectrum of right versus left. He is an authoritarian, which is on a different spectrum. He just happens to have hijacked a previously conservative party. The Cheneys are conservative and have not been destroyed. I would vote for Liz in a heartbeat. Your comments are not grounded in logic, reason, or evidence. You seem to have joined just to poke your finger in the eyes of those you view as libs (most of us are not). We welcome reasoned debate but that’s not what you bring. You would likely be happier elsewhere.
Yes, you admitted above that you are far more interested in the tearing down of our institutions, which is why you support Trump. The antithesis of conservative.
What is your definition of a "conservative"?
Not debating that.
Anyone who uses a term and won't define it is arguing in bad faith.
You sound like Nikki Haley with her response to what the cause of the Civil War was - "What do you think it is?" And Trump's refusal to debate at all.
It’s just a tedious debate. It’s not interesting. And probably no longer applicable. It is now conservative to defend the 60-year/old sexual revolution. I am now firmly anyone who wants to upend the institutions that have betrayed us. Trump gets this. Maybe Bobby Kennedy does.
What institutions are those?
The justice system. The FBI. Top brass of military. Journalism. Academia. I could go on.
OK, two questions then: 1. Who is "us" in "they betrayed us"? 2. How did they betray that "us"? I will remind you that to betray means to "expose (one's country, a group, or a person) to danger by treacherously giving information to an enemy."
Betrayed our trust. Americans.
Thanks for the answer to #1. Pls answer #2.
The CIA spied on Senate staffers. The CIA spies on you and me.
Re the Senate staffers. Yes, that happened. Once, in 2014. Your last sentence is pretty broad.
The FBI lied to Fisa court. The FBI conspired to infiltrate Catholic Churches. The FBI investigated parents who objected to school board actions. The CIA conspired to interfer with the last election by lying about the Biden laptop. I could go on.
OK. I know about one individual at the FBI, attorney Kevin Clinesmith, who pled guilty to one count of altering one email to a Supervisory Special Agent (SSA) by adding three words "not a source". The SSA signed and submitted the fourth FISA application to the FISA Court. So he didn't actually lie to the Court. And this is ONE FBI employee, not the entire FBI. Are you basing your mistrust on the entire FBI on one employee at the FBI who altered one email?
I don't know anything about their infiltrating Catholic Churches, so I looked it up. It is an ALLEGATION by the GOP-controlled House Judiciary Committee based on whistleblower testimony. So it is alleged and not yet proven. Testimony has to be corroborated by documentary evidence. Anybody can say anything, even under oath, and that doesn't mean it's true.
Re the investigations the FBI opened, they were responding to criminal threats against school personnel, not parents’ views about school curriculum.
By the CIA, do you mean 40 FORMER CIA officials who released an open letter stating that the release of the alleged emails "has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation"? If so, they were not at the CIA at the time and the CIA isn't responsible for what former employees say.
Do you have any idea how radicalized you sound?
Why not?
Useless. Boring. Pointless.
Okay, between Liz Cheney and Donald Trump, who do you think better upholds actual conservative values?
I’ll just say this. Folks ought to grateful to Trump for destroying three dynasties; Bush, Clinton, Cheney.
Trump is not a conservative. He is off the spectrum of right versus left. He is an authoritarian, which is on a different spectrum. He just happens to have hijacked a previously conservative party. The Cheneys are conservative and have not been destroyed. I would vote for Liz in a heartbeat. Your comments are not grounded in logic, reason, or evidence. You seem to have joined just to poke your finger in the eyes of those you view as libs (most of us are not). We welcome reasoned debate but that’s not what you bring. You would likely be happier elsewhere.
I have to remind everyone here to not feed trolls.
On the other hand, you could engage and come to know another point of view.
I do believe the Cheney are finished and Trump did it. This is a good thing, something liberals should agree with.
Rather than obfuscating, can you simply answer the actual question?
Not debating conservatism.
Which is telling.
It’s not interesting.
Yes, you admitted above that you are far more interested in the tearing down of our institutions, which is why you support Trump. The antithesis of conservative.