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Don Gates's avatar

"The issue isn't the territory or the land. The issue is what has happened to people in those places, and what is going on now. Everybody in Ukraine knows this, but I don't know that the outside world understands this story. We are talking about concentration camps, mass murder, torture, arrests, torment of children, all inflicted on these zones of occupation. And the level of the crime and the knowledge of it is, I think, only just beginning right now to seep out of Ukraine."

This is obviously horrifying, but it's really difficult not to see the WWII parallels. We did not go to war against the Nazis because of the Holocaust, and I think at the time their atrocities against the Jews were not front of mind. The pace of the holocaust accelerated as the war went on. But, I think a lot of Americans in retrospect, upon learning what was going down in the KLs, thought that stopping that kind of evil would have been a sufficient causus belli, and really wished we had've gone after the Nazis just for being so evil.

As Churchill said, you can count on America to do the right thing, after it has exhausted all other options. WWII was mostly fought in a pre-nuclear era, and nuclear weapons must be considered in any calculus in today's world. But this reality that you can just do whatever you want if you have nukes, something no one has really flaunted so brazenly as Putin with this horrible war, is a serious problem.

Bruce G's avatar

Why does Pence think he has a scintilla of a chance at winning the GOP nomination? The MAGA base hates him (Hang Mike Pence!) and he's a terrible campaigner (the word boring comes to mind).

Self-delusion is all I can come up with.

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