America elected Obama. To tell the truth, I think the campaign against Harris would be so sexist and racist, it would no longer be possible to deny the White supremacist part of the GOP platform. But as others have said, that's not a comfort if people vote for it.
America elected Obama. To tell the truth, I think the campaign against Harris would be so sexist and racist, it would no longer be possible to deny the White supremacist part of the GOP platform. But as others have said, that's not a comfort if people vote for it.
Well said Kate, trump won't be able to stop himself from the personal attacks regarding race and gender. I'll never pretend to understand young voters, but from what i have read, they will harden when hearing the screeching by trump about a black woman. He hates losing, so imagine losing to a Black Female?
Trump under stress tends to be the Trump that messes up and starts saying even crazier things than calm Trump. He's not feeling the pressure at all now, that's why he's been relatively quiet lately. The last thing in the world he wants is for Biden to drop out.
Tim made the point yesterday that all the inevitable racist crap that will be spewed by the MAGA swamp against Harris might actually help her by reminding swing voters how awful the Trump coalition is.
Tim talked with David French yesterday. He said the Right will go after Kamala in the grossest of ways. In 2008 against Obama, it was dog whistles. With Kamala it's going to be out front and center. The way that right-wing discourse has devolved over the last nine years, there's going to be no shortage of wild, crazy, bigoted things said about her.
Then he asks: Does that actually undermine the Right in a way that their own bigotry would make them more vulnerable? It's just an intuition of mine, but I think the answer is yes.
I sent this to my one conservative friend whose information sources are right-wing talk radio, particularly Dennis Prager and Ben Shapiro. He really knows nothing about politics. He just clings to grifter hacks and takes what the say at face value which somehow makes him feel good. His response was that they won't because all they have to do is attack her job performance as VP. This must be what he's hearing from them.
I said criticisms of her peformance as VP are old. What's current is she is killing it on the stump and, as Sarah said on this week's TNL (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/blue-maga), perceptions of her are lightly held and can be improved. I agree with that because I was persuaded by this podcast that Kamala, who was once known as the law and order Dem and couldn't be that in the political moment of 2020, can now be who she is - this is a different political moment: "Is Kamala Harris Underrated?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyvaxlKuOuE&list=PLdMrbgYfVl-szepgVpArP0obwYgbKdfvx&index=1).
Yes, 10 times. Of course she is underrated. She has *always* been underrated.
Do posters here expect slow-thinking voters to change their minds in a blink?
Harris will have to change their minds with her intelligence and strength. She can do it. She is the one in 2024 who can show up Trump for what he is: a corrupt fraud, a criminal convicted by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts, a racist and misogynist, a charlatan who has created one of the most dangerous cults against democracy our country has ever known.
Yep but unfortunately I think she loses. Maybe she does better than Biden. I just donтАЩt trust voters in this environment to vote for an aggressive smart black woman. Sad to say
I appreciate your candor, Migs, but "I just don't trust voters in this environment to vote for an aggressive smart black woman" = vibes.
You see, I agree with the basic premise of your statement, but my conclusion is the opposite: I do trust them. And yes, those are simply my "vibes."
In other words, we both need to see some hard data, some reliable poll numbers that can parse out the numbers for us and show us whose vibes are more in tune with the real American voters.
Yep. I understand that you draw a different conclusion than I do. To be fair, to be both of us we will never really know the answer.
The only thing I would add is that my pessimism of voters is based on this fact: they voted for Trump is 2016. Then more people voted for him in 2020. Now it looks like more will vote for him in 2024 after everything they have seen, heard and watched. Pretty good evidence they are idiots.
They are not idiots; well, rather, they are deluded members of a cult who have succumbed to the lies they wanted to hear by a lizard-brained conman. I'm not sure that makes them idiots.
I know so many people who have succumbed to religious cults because the conmen leading them, from rural Tennessee to Rome, offer their followers the wish-fulfillment to their greatest desires: Eternal life, anyone? Want to see your deceased loved ones again in heaven? Come this way!
Idiots cannot be made intelligent. But members of a cult can be "de-programmed." So far, Biden is not doing that. My bet is that Kamala Harris can de-program just enough of them and convince just enough of those not in the cult but wandering in uncertainty ("undecideds") to defeat Trump.
The people they hate canтАЩt be expected to deprogram them. If people expected that then they were always going to be disappointed. Kamala wonтАЩt deprogram them. Oprah wonтАЩt deprogram. Obama wonтАЩt deprogram them. They need to deprogram themselves.
America elected Obama. To tell the truth, I think the campaign against Harris would be so sexist and racist, it would no longer be possible to deny the White supremacist part of the GOP platform. But as others have said, that's not a comfort if people vote for it.
Well said Kate, trump won't be able to stop himself from the personal attacks regarding race and gender. I'll never pretend to understand young voters, but from what i have read, they will harden when hearing the screeching by trump about a black woman. He hates losing, so imagine losing to a Black Female?
His freaking head would explode.
Trump under stress tends to be the Trump that messes up and starts saying even crazier things than calm Trump. He's not feeling the pressure at all now, that's why he's been relatively quiet lately. The last thing in the world he wants is for Biden to drop out.
Tim made the point yesterday that all the inevitable racist crap that will be spewed by the MAGA swamp against Harris might actually help her by reminding swing voters how awful the Trump coalition is.
And on the Fox News and Substack sites, the Right love to accuse her of sleeping her way to the top. Another thing that women just love to hear.
Tim talked with David French yesterday. He said the Right will go after Kamala in the grossest of ways. In 2008 against Obama, it was dog whistles. With Kamala it's going to be out front and center. The way that right-wing discourse has devolved over the last nine years, there's going to be no shortage of wild, crazy, bigoted things said about her.
Then he asks: Does that actually undermine the Right in a way that their own bigotry would make them more vulnerable? It's just an intuition of mine, but I think the answer is yes.
I think the answer is yes, too.
I sent this to my one conservative friend whose information sources are right-wing talk radio, particularly Dennis Prager and Ben Shapiro. He really knows nothing about politics. He just clings to grifter hacks and takes what the say at face value which somehow makes him feel good. His response was that they won't because all they have to do is attack her job performance as VP. This must be what he's hearing from them.
I said criticisms of her peformance as VP are old. What's current is she is killing it on the stump and, as Sarah said on this week's TNL (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/blue-maga), perceptions of her are lightly held and can be improved. I agree with that because I was persuaded by this podcast that Kamala, who was once known as the law and order Dem and couldn't be that in the political moment of 2020, can now be who she is - this is a different political moment: "Is Kamala Harris Underrated?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyvaxlKuOuE&list=PLdMrbgYfVl-szepgVpArP0obwYgbKdfvx&index=1).
Yes, 10 times. Of course she is underrated. She has *always* been underrated.
Do posters here expect slow-thinking voters to change their minds in a blink?
Harris will have to change their minds with her intelligence and strength. She can do it. She is the one in 2024 who can show up Trump for what he is: a corrupt fraud, a criminal convicted by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts, a racist and misogynist, a charlatan who has created one of the most dangerous cults against democracy our country has ever known.
Yep but unfortunately I think she loses. Maybe she does better than Biden. I just donтАЩt trust voters in this environment to vote for an aggressive smart black woman. Sad to say
I appreciate your candor, Migs, but "I just don't trust voters in this environment to vote for an aggressive smart black woman" = vibes.
You see, I agree with the basic premise of your statement, but my conclusion is the opposite: I do trust them. And yes, those are simply my "vibes."
In other words, we both need to see some hard data, some reliable poll numbers that can parse out the numbers for us and show us whose vibes are more in tune with the real American voters.
Yep. I understand that you draw a different conclusion than I do. To be fair, to be both of us we will never really know the answer.
The only thing I would add is that my pessimism of voters is based on this fact: they voted for Trump is 2016. Then more people voted for him in 2020. Now it looks like more will vote for him in 2024 after everything they have seen, heard and watched. Pretty good evidence they are idiots.
They are not idiots; well, rather, they are deluded members of a cult who have succumbed to the lies they wanted to hear by a lizard-brained conman. I'm not sure that makes them idiots.
I know so many people who have succumbed to religious cults because the conmen leading them, from rural Tennessee to Rome, offer their followers the wish-fulfillment to their greatest desires: Eternal life, anyone? Want to see your deceased loved ones again in heaven? Come this way!
Idiots cannot be made intelligent. But members of a cult can be "de-programmed." So far, Biden is not doing that. My bet is that Kamala Harris can de-program just enough of them and convince just enough of those not in the cult but wandering in uncertainty ("undecideds") to defeat Trump.
The people they hate canтАЩt be expected to deprogram them. If people expected that then they were always going to be disappointed. Kamala wonтАЩt deprogram them. Oprah wonтАЩt deprogram. Obama wonтАЩt deprogram them. They need to deprogram themselves.
We can agree to disagree
Agreed.