That’s fine. If the description of a far left Hamas apologist doesn’t apply to you, then it doesn’t apply to you. There is, however, a significant thread of Hamas support among the modern far left. The YouTube and TikTok generation is very vulnerable to warmed over Hamas propaganda and general anti-semitism that drifts westward.
That’s fine. If the description of a far left Hamas apologist doesn’t apply to you, then it doesn’t apply to you. There is, however, a significant thread of Hamas support among the modern far left. The YouTube and TikTok generation is very vulnerable to warmed over Hamas propaganda and general anti-semitism that drifts westward.
There IS a place for sympathy for the Palestinian people and a desire for peace in this whole mess. However, Hamas itself has none -- they are interested only in power, and their power exists only through hate for Israel and the means to kill Jews. There can be no peace as long as Hamas controls one of the two Palestinian enclaves.
Yes, there is. That someone doesn't want to see it or acknowledge it doesn't mean it's not there. There were huge rallies all over the world, in major cities, in front of Israeli embassies and on college campuses the day after the massacre in support of Hamas. And there are more planned today.
There is, sickeningly, a huge base of support for Hamas--or at least people who refuse to condemn them--on the American left. And I am not a conservative. I am a Biden supporter who would never vote Republican.
It baffles me that anyone with a feminist bone in their body (the left?) could align with any culture that mistreats women as a matter of daily practice. But I’m not saying it’s not reality, that some on the left seem to be there.
No, there isn't, but the YouTube and TikTok generation are vulnerable to anti-Semitic propaganda. We need to be on our guard that this doesn't turn into the wacky fringe pushing for concessions. I don't see that happening, though. I'm actually changing my mind on this topic as I converse with people here, darn it. There is a case to be made for a well-researched article on this topic.
The “far left” that I’m thinking of pretty much IS the YouTube and TikTok generation, and their older compatriots. Most of my former tech co-workers who’ve since unfriended or blocked me over political discussions over social media have been of this sort. Social media itself is frankly a radicalizing thing in general, it’s way too easy to consolidate into a bubble that only sees what it wants to see, and the algorithms are happy to oblige for ad clicks.
Just because I think Israel should have stopped Israeli “settlers” from taking Palestinian lands doesn’t mean I support the Hamas gleeful slaughter. There has to be room for criticism of both the Israeli government and. Hamas. Some Israelis supported the settlement land grab. Some Palestinians support Hamas. There has to be a way to talk about it all or a way to peace will never be found.
why even add left? Maybe just call them pro-Hamas and leave it at that. Maybe if we got away from thinking of politics on a single dimension spectrum this coverage would fit the real world better and the silos/tribes would weaken a bit.
Because there has, for a very long time, been a powerful anti-Zionist strain in the activist movement wing of the left. This is so widespread that a Jewish member of that movement took the trouble to write a large pamphlet (many pages) about how to recognize and fight anti-Semitism within those movements. https://www.aprilrosenblum.com/thepast Currently you can see this anti-Zionist strain in one of the organized BLM organizations as well.
I don't expect this kind of snark on The Bulwark. Anyway, it does not have to be new to be legit. It is unusual and extremely difficult for a person *within* a liberal activist movement to write this kind of thing, and she would have gotten zero support since she's writing what they are not interested in hearing. In any case, Hanna Arendt's essay on totalitarianism is still relevant today and we ignore it at our peril. I also didn't realize the the paranoid style of American politics wasn't a thing since Richard Hofstadter wrote it more than 50 years ago. Antisemitism on the left has not gotten any better since then (especially as survivors of the Holocaust are more and more rare). Maybe you could read what she wrote and criticize it on the merits. Same stuff is going on. As the pamphlet says "The past didn't go anywhere".
Me neither. I posted a comment downthread asking why Hamas won't release the Israeli hostages it took during its massacre of more than 1,000 civilians, and some demented individual responded I deserve to have my house bombed. (And I'm a Biden supporter who would never support Trump). If that's not a Hamas-sympathizer, what is?
That’s fine. If the description of a far left Hamas apologist doesn’t apply to you, then it doesn’t apply to you. There is, however, a significant thread of Hamas support among the modern far left. The YouTube and TikTok generation is very vulnerable to warmed over Hamas propaganda and general anti-semitism that drifts westward.
There IS a place for sympathy for the Palestinian people and a desire for peace in this whole mess. However, Hamas itself has none -- they are interested only in power, and their power exists only through hate for Israel and the means to kill Jews. There can be no peace as long as Hamas controls one of the two Palestinian enclaves.
"There is, however, a significant thread of Hamas support among the modern far left"
No, there isn't.
Significant enough for us to be talking about it.
Yes, there is. That someone doesn't want to see it or acknowledge it doesn't mean it's not there. There were huge rallies all over the world, in major cities, in front of Israeli embassies and on college campuses the day after the massacre in support of Hamas. And there are more planned today.
There is, sickeningly, a huge base of support for Hamas--or at least people who refuse to condemn them--on the American left. And I am not a conservative. I am a Biden supporter who would never vote Republican.
It baffles me that anyone with a feminist bone in their body (the left?) could align with any culture that mistreats women as a matter of daily practice. But I’m not saying it’s not reality, that some on the left seem to be there.
A sense of oppression causes a sense of kinship (real or imagined.)
Instagram too. It’s full of anti semitic comments and reels.
Many inserted by Hamas' cyber troops.
No, there isn't, but the YouTube and TikTok generation are vulnerable to anti-Semitic propaganda. We need to be on our guard that this doesn't turn into the wacky fringe pushing for concessions. I don't see that happening, though. I'm actually changing my mind on this topic as I converse with people here, darn it. There is a case to be made for a well-researched article on this topic.
The “far left” that I’m thinking of pretty much IS the YouTube and TikTok generation, and their older compatriots. Most of my former tech co-workers who’ve since unfriended or blocked me over political discussions over social media have been of this sort. Social media itself is frankly a radicalizing thing in general, it’s way too easy to consolidate into a bubble that only sees what it wants to see, and the algorithms are happy to oblige for ad clicks.
Just because I think Israel should have stopped Israeli “settlers” from taking Palestinian lands doesn’t mean I support the Hamas gleeful slaughter. There has to be room for criticism of both the Israeli government and. Hamas. Some Israelis supported the settlement land grab. Some Palestinians support Hamas. There has to be a way to talk about it all or a way to peace will never be found.
You just said it though... FAR left. That isn’t a hard modifier to include.
why even add left? Maybe just call them pro-Hamas and leave it at that. Maybe if we got away from thinking of politics on a single dimension spectrum this coverage would fit the real world better and the silos/tribes would weaken a bit.
Exactly, like all the complexities of the world fit along a horizon line that goes from left to right.
Because there has, for a very long time, been a powerful anti-Zionist strain in the activist movement wing of the left. This is so widespread that a Jewish member of that movement took the trouble to write a large pamphlet (many pages) about how to recognize and fight anti-Semitism within those movements. https://www.aprilrosenblum.com/thepast Currently you can see this anti-Zionist strain in one of the organized BLM organizations as well.
If someone did a pamphlet 16 years ago I’m a believer.
I don't expect this kind of snark on The Bulwark. Anyway, it does not have to be new to be legit. It is unusual and extremely difficult for a person *within* a liberal activist movement to write this kind of thing, and she would have gotten zero support since she's writing what they are not interested in hearing. In any case, Hanna Arendt's essay on totalitarianism is still relevant today and we ignore it at our peril. I also didn't realize the the paranoid style of American politics wasn't a thing since Richard Hofstadter wrote it more than 50 years ago. Antisemitism on the left has not gotten any better since then (especially as survivors of the Holocaust are more and more rare). Maybe you could read what she wrote and criticize it on the merits. Same stuff is going on. As the pamphlet says "The past didn't go anywhere".
Me neither. I posted a comment downthread asking why Hamas won't release the Israeli hostages it took during its massacre of more than 1,000 civilians, and some demented individual responded I deserve to have my house bombed. (And I'm a Biden supporter who would never support Trump). If that's not a Hamas-sympathizer, what is?
You seen the prices of digital ink these days!?! Thanks, Carter!