Transwomen are women. Full stop. Transwomen are not men. There are ten (10) Trans athletes in the NCAA, out of 500,000! After two years of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) Transwomen lose muscle strength and bone density equal to that of cis-gender females. Transwomen aren't winning medals or harming cis-gender women in any way. It's ju…
Transwomen are women. Full stop. Transwomen are not men. There are ten (10) Trans athletes in the NCAA, out of 500,000! After two years of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) Transwomen lose muscle strength and bone density equal to that of cis-gender females. Transwomen aren't winning medals or harming cis-gender women in any way. It's just a ploy to call Transwomen "men." From 2007 - 2022 the Olympics allowed Trans people to participate. You know how many medalled? Exactly 0. The Republicans chose the most marginalized group of people to be their "boogeyman" in 2015 and have repeated lies about Trans people over and over and you bought into it. In 2024 the Trump campaign spent $200M on an anti-Trans ads (remember the Super Bowl?). Trans rights don't take away any rights from cis-gender women. Educated people like myself do not agree with you, Frau Katze.
That aside, I am not someone who gives a rat's ass if trans athletes compete against women. And bring 'em on if they want to compete against men. It is an infinitesimally small number, anyway. What the issue really does for the GOP is highlight something what was just a few years ago considered weird and perverse.
It is one thing to sanction public homosexual behavior. That has been at least marginally acceptable since the 1970's. But trans was always a bridge too far for almost everybody, even some homosexuals. Being force-fed it these days, and told people had to accept it as an equivalent lifestyle, made for a powerful backlash in 2024, and the gift that keeps on giving so long as Democrats won't backtrack on it.
Good ol Reagan style bigotry right here. "Force fed" to recognizing that a group of people exist and have existed since our earliest recorded history...you poor baby.
You nailed it; spent initially $65 million running ads to “raise up the Dems against trans” and do a lot of other damage. Then added millions more as it created a anti-dem rally cry. I read they only cared that this “worked” against Dems. And they will drag out this tool when needed. A GOP political strategic ploy.
Thats obviously and factually wrong. There are dozens of permutations of chromosomes beyond XX and XY.
And, of course, you can be born XY but with female genetalia. And of course, there are men with XX chromosomes.
So, then, is your assertion that we need to do a chromosome test on everyone before we call them a woman or a man? And, then, what do we call people with XXY chromosomes?
This is a stupid thing for the public to be discussing, because its private medical information.
JVL said it really well last month: If trans women start ruining competitive in women's sports, we should start thinking about policy responses. But if no-one is getting hurt (and, lets face it, at this point, no one is getting hurt if a trans woman is the 2nd or 3rd best player on the 5th or 6th best team in the 8th or 9th best conference...) then why not just let that one girl run cross country in Maine?
Gender is genetically more complicated than 8th grade biology. Beyond the different chromosome pairings, there are different epigenetic manifestations from genes that exist on chromosomes that aren't on the 23rd pair (i.e., the "sex chromosomes"). Some of these are pretty well understood, like the XY folks with Swyer syndrome who develop a uterus, fallopian tubes, vagina, etc.) and other aspects aren't yet fully understood, like XY folks who develop a penis but psychologically flourish with super low levels of testosterone (which in cis-gender men is generally psychologically debilitating).
Hang on. I’m not a cis-gendered woman. I’m a woman. That the language that throws people off. I don’t have any problem with trans people, but dot label me.
You are definitely cis-gendered. That's not labeling you any more than saying that you're homo sapiens sapiens is labeling you. It's a scientific description of what you are.
Transwomen are women. Full stop. Transwomen are not men. There are ten (10) Trans athletes in the NCAA, out of 500,000! After two years of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) Transwomen lose muscle strength and bone density equal to that of cis-gender females. Transwomen aren't winning medals or harming cis-gender women in any way. It's just a ploy to call Transwomen "men." From 2007 - 2022 the Olympics allowed Trans people to participate. You know how many medalled? Exactly 0. The Republicans chose the most marginalized group of people to be their "boogeyman" in 2015 and have repeated lies about Trans people over and over and you bought into it. In 2024 the Trump campaign spent $200M on an anti-Trans ads (remember the Super Bowl?). Trans rights don't take away any rights from cis-gender women. Educated people like myself do not agree with you, Frau Katze.
We must protect all vulnerable people from being targeted. We protect the dignity of human beings.
Well, they were born men, so,...
That aside, I am not someone who gives a rat's ass if trans athletes compete against women. And bring 'em on if they want to compete against men. It is an infinitesimally small number, anyway. What the issue really does for the GOP is highlight something what was just a few years ago considered weird and perverse.
It is one thing to sanction public homosexual behavior. That has been at least marginally acceptable since the 1970's. But trans was always a bridge too far for almost everybody, even some homosexuals. Being force-fed it these days, and told people had to accept it as an equivalent lifestyle, made for a powerful backlash in 2024, and the gift that keeps on giving so long as Democrats won't backtrack on it.
Good ol Reagan style bigotry right here. "Force fed" to recognizing that a group of people exist and have existed since our earliest recorded history...you poor baby.
This thread is going way too deep into the weeds. That turns off many average voters.
Average voters are not reading the comments section of The Bulwark so I think we are ok.
You nailed it; spent initially $65 million running ads to “raise up the Dems against trans” and do a lot of other damage. Then added millions more as it created a anti-dem rally cry. I read they only cared that this “worked” against Dems. And they will drag out this tool when needed. A GOP political strategic ploy.
Trans women are XY, males. That cannot be changed.
Thats obviously and factually wrong. There are dozens of permutations of chromosomes beyond XX and XY.
And, of course, you can be born XY but with female genetalia. And of course, there are men with XX chromosomes.
So, then, is your assertion that we need to do a chromosome test on everyone before we call them a woman or a man? And, then, what do we call people with XXY chromosomes?
This is a stupid thing for the public to be discussing, because its private medical information.
JVL said it really well last month: If trans women start ruining competitive in women's sports, we should start thinking about policy responses. But if no-one is getting hurt (and, lets face it, at this point, no one is getting hurt if a trans woman is the 2nd or 3rd best player on the 5th or 6th best team in the 8th or 9th best conference...) then why not just let that one girl run cross country in Maine?
If you have a Y chromosome you’re male.
Males should not be permitted to compete in the female category.
Progress is being made. Lia Thomas was not permitted to compete in last year’s Olympics.
This is a classic losing issue for Dems.
Gender is genetically more complicated than 8th grade biology. Beyond the different chromosome pairings, there are different epigenetic manifestations from genes that exist on chromosomes that aren't on the 23rd pair (i.e., the "sex chromosomes"). Some of these are pretty well understood, like the XY folks with Swyer syndrome who develop a uterus, fallopian tubes, vagina, etc.) and other aspects aren't yet fully understood, like XY folks who develop a penis but psychologically flourish with super low levels of testosterone (which in cis-gender men is generally psychologically debilitating).
Hang on. I’m not a cis-gendered woman. I’m a woman. That the language that throws people off. I don’t have any problem with trans people, but dot label me.
You are definitely cis-gendered. That's not labeling you any more than saying that you're homo sapiens sapiens is labeling you. It's a scientific description of what you are.