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David Jenner's avatar

My two cents on the substack app stuff: this is one of *very* few comment boards that isn't full of disgusting stuff and I think it works pretty well. I'd be very wary of switching things up or messing with success here.

I think political violence is pretty easy to categorize. Scalise, Pelosi, and Giffords' assailants were all ticking time bombs. Most of those people are going to do anti-social stuff at some point, frequently violent. It might be political, it might not be (people with out of control SMIs also frequently engage in violence against their partners and kids).

The political violence that concerns me the most is J6, BLM riots, CHAZ, the Proud Boy-Antifa organized street fights, because while a lot of those people have very shitty opinions, they aren't the seriously mentally ill and don't all have problems in the glossary of the DSM. It used to be really really rare to have not crazy people engaged in political violence, but starting the Trump era, it seems like it's all the time. Very scary stuff IMO.

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Paul Mccrary's avatar

You know most BLM marches were peaceful and that the violence that happened was mostly done by white people, right?

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MSL-G's avatar

BLM marches were mostly free of violence. The destruction was initiated by non-BLM instigators.

I cannot assign race to those people.

But I will say, that the instigators committed horrible destructive acts to sully the BLM’s intended cause, which gave them a bad name and a negative reputation. The instigators succeeded in their causal actions, while destroying buildings, businesses, and the livelihood of so very many people.

Also, in addition to those instigators who had specific political-like intentions, there may have been others involved just to do criminal thuggery.

The bottom line... there are terrible actors who are committing horrific acts of crime, bullying, intimidation, etc., some of whom may be mentally ill, or hateful with stone cold hearts, or are prone to criminal behavior. More scary are people who appear to be normal, but have decided to be/become serial professional disrupters of our country for their political purposes. (You know what I mean.)

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David Jenner's avatar

The marchers I have no issues with. If they went and peacefully assembled to protest a brazen and unjust police killing, that's their right and I'm on their side both in their cause and their right to do so. When I'm saying "rioters" I mean the acts of arson, property damage, and the "shoplifting at Target for justice." Have no sympathy for the latter.

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Paul Mccrary's avatar

Rioters is often used interchangeably with protesters

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David Jenner's avatar

Fair enough, happy to clarify.

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Margo's avatar

I disagree with your lumping BLM folks in with the insurrectionists of 1/6, and there is no organized Antifa, it's mostly just a fever dream of the Right.

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Paul Mccrary's avatar

I went to a dozen BLM rallies and saw 0 violence

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Damian Penny's avatar

The overwhelming majority of *Trump* events never resulted in violence, if that’s the standard.

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Paul Mccrary's avatar

The overwhelming number of Proud Boys and Oath Keepers events do

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Richard Kane's avatar

Sadly it seems one party has let the crazies run their party. Unfortunately you can't talk to them or negotiate in good faith with them. The "normals" of their party are too cowardly to speak up and speak out about it. It doesn't look good for our country. I was hoping more conservatives and moderates from the GOP would align with Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger but it seems they rather hide under a rock.

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Chris's avatar

"My two cents on the substack app stuff: this is one of *very* few comment boards that isn't full of disgusting stuff and I think it works pretty well. I'd be very wary of switching things up or messing with success here."

I should have said the same thing in my comment on the subject, but couldn't have put it like this. Consider this an "I'll second that!"

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