I really don't think Whit wants Trump to win and he has said as much. Was I the only one who listened to the full episode and not just the parts where Whit is trying to sound the alarm bells on Biden's prospects? The man is not in Trump's camp at all.
I really don't think Whit wants Trump to win and he has said as much. Was I the only one who listened to the full episode and not just the parts where Whit is trying to sound the alarm bells on Biden's prospects? The man is not in Trump's camp at all.
It seems highly unlikely to me that The Bulwark at large, and Bill Kristol specifically, would have a pro-Trump...anything. It's the antithesis of their entire purpose.
**also, polls that show “young voters divided on Trump vs Biden”…I’m VERY skeptical of. As someone who’s a Millennial with younger Gen Z family members, I’m not seeing that…at all.
I think those polls are over-sampling for Trump heavy groups.
Which Gen Z voters are streaming Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan then? Cuz from what I've seen of the youngs--and take this with a large grain of anecdotal salt--a lot of the young men are going MAGA (not all, just a lot) and just about all of the women are going Biden. More on that here:
I think you and I are mostly saying the same thing, with one exception.
You’re right that the Gen Z Joe Rogan/incel jackoffs crowd is very MAGA. And I have very little doubt that these polls are capturing those ppl. Where I pause, is that they’re nowhere close to representative of the Gen Z cohort. So I think the pills are over-sampling for the Rogan ppl.
I don’t think that group is representative of Gen Z or even Gen Z men, for that matter…any more than Rush Limbaugh’s ditto heads were representative of Gen X/Gen Jones men.
Rogan’s crowd is, frankly, a bunch of the Information economy’s losers, coupled with a handful of college grads who fall somewhere into either the gamer or low manager class. They’re the modern day version of that dude in Waiting who touts is Associate’s degree.
But the Gen Z men who are gainfully employed and married…yeah they don’t want their daughters living in the United States of Gilead. And they see the Matt Walshes of the world for the loser panderers and grifters that they are.
I’m not sure that I agree with that. He sounds more anti-anti- than RVAT. I say that bc most RVATs aren’t comparing Biden to Carter, but rather GHWB. And if Biden loses, I think Bush 41 is the more on point comparator.
Actually, in terms of opinion and mood, the more apposite analogue is Truman, not Carter. Now, the caveat, there, is that the party system was different in 1948, but that’s also true of 1980.
My optimism is rooted in two things. First, that. But secondly, I don’t see a lot of people who voted for Biden going back to Trump. And I think Trump voters are dying off. And new voters are more blue than red. Also, though he can win the EC without winning the popular vote, Trump keeps topping out around 46%, and that’s true even in many of the swing states.
I just don’t see him getting much north of the Dukakis line in the popular vote- and that makes winning the EC really hard, even w the advantage it gives him. And if there are new Trump voters it beats me as to where they’re coming from. Bc his coalition isn’t getting any younger, and the youngs DESPISE the GOP.
I really don't think Whit wants Trump to win and he has said as much. Was I the only one who listened to the full episode and not just the parts where Whit is trying to sound the alarm bells on Biden's prospects? The man is not in Trump's camp at all.
It seems highly unlikely to me that The Bulwark at large, and Bill Kristol specifically, would have a pro-Trump...anything. It's the antithesis of their entire purpose.
**also, polls that show “young voters divided on Trump vs Biden”…I’m VERY skeptical of. As someone who’s a Millennial with younger Gen Z family members, I’m not seeing that…at all.
I think those polls are over-sampling for Trump heavy groups.
Which Gen Z voters are streaming Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan then? Cuz from what I've seen of the youngs--and take this with a large grain of anecdotal salt--a lot of the young men are going MAGA (not all, just a lot) and just about all of the women are going Biden. More on that here:
https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1
I think you and I are mostly saying the same thing, with one exception.
You’re right that the Gen Z Joe Rogan/incel jackoffs crowd is very MAGA. And I have very little doubt that these polls are capturing those ppl. Where I pause, is that they’re nowhere close to representative of the Gen Z cohort. So I think the pills are over-sampling for the Rogan ppl.
I don’t think that group is representative of Gen Z or even Gen Z men, for that matter…any more than Rush Limbaugh’s ditto heads were representative of Gen X/Gen Jones men.
Rogan’s crowd is, frankly, a bunch of the Information economy’s losers, coupled with a handful of college grads who fall somewhere into either the gamer or low manager class. They’re the modern day version of that dude in Waiting who touts is Associate’s degree.
But the Gen Z men who are gainfully employed and married…yeah they don’t want their daughters living in the United States of Gilead. And they see the Matt Walshes of the world for the loser panderers and grifters that they are.
“They’re the modern day version of that dude in Waiting who touts is Associate’s degree.” This was a great reference lol
I’m not sure that I agree with that. He sounds more anti-anti- than RVAT. I say that bc most RVATs aren’t comparing Biden to Carter, but rather GHWB. And if Biden loses, I think Bush 41 is the more on point comparator.
Actually, in terms of opinion and mood, the more apposite analogue is Truman, not Carter. Now, the caveat, there, is that the party system was different in 1948, but that’s also true of 1980.
My optimism is rooted in two things. First, that. But secondly, I don’t see a lot of people who voted for Biden going back to Trump. And I think Trump voters are dying off. And new voters are more blue than red. Also, though he can win the EC without winning the popular vote, Trump keeps topping out around 46%, and that’s true even in many of the swing states.
I just don’t see him getting much north of the Dukakis line in the popular vote- and that makes winning the EC really hard, even w the advantage it gives him. And if there are new Trump voters it beats me as to where they’re coming from. Bc his coalition isn’t getting any younger, and the youngs DESPISE the GOP.
As JVL would say, "from your lips to god's ears"