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Victoria Brown's avatar

Bill, how long has the Middle

East been at war with one

faction of itself or another?

Your memory must be very

cloudy on how we got into

the messes of Gulf War II and

Afghanistan. How'd they turn

out for us?

I'm a Vietnam Gold Star wife.

My grandchildren served in

Iraq and Afghanistan. I am

not a war hawk. I'm not a

pacifist either if we're

attacked. I believe in

supporting our allies up to

a point. Personally, I don't

want to see US boots on the

ground in combat for the rest

of my life.

You should be talking to the

TrumpMaga House reps and

Speaker to get that bill for

aid to Ukraine, Taiwan and

Israel voted on. That's what's

needed now. Not armed

combat.

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JohnCitizen (Adam Saxe)'s avatar

As an Afghanistan and Iraq vet myself, let me say I'm very moved by your family's committment and sacrifice. And it's quite understandable--that's putting it lightly & not the right word--that you are not a "war hawk." Nor am I. I'm so glad to agree that the ball is now in Team MAGA's court and that it's time for them to pass the long-overdue Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan aid bill.

I don't *think* anyone is seriously proposing US ground troops go toe-to-toe w/Iranian forces--not that any type of US airpower is risk-free. Bombing Iran--not that I'm advocating that necessarily or that I think we're close--involves confronting their air defenses and they're respectable.

IMHO, Israel is a special friend of the US; the current Israeli *government,* however, is like your friend who always insists on driving drunk (and when you try to be the least bit stern responds back that you don't love him enough!). Not sure how much you know about Israel, but you'd probably like their people. They have their crazies, too but since almost everyone serves in uniform, their people are much more clear-eyed about war & peace than Americans. People & elected leaders are not afraid of being called "unpatriotic" for criticizing/questioning their gov't or security establishment, as they--the people--have already risked their lives for the nation. And men stay in the reserves until 40.

Everyone has skin in the game. In the US, I think it's now *less* than 1% of the population that serves or is the immediate family of someone in uniform. It's a lot easier for politicians & talking heads to come up with grandiose foreign policy pronouncements when the servicemembers are just numbers, not family or friends.

(To be clear, however, some of the elites' sons *do* serve and even some of the elites have; Eliot Cohen was a reservist called to active duty and his son was an Army officer, I believe.)

Vietnam and Iraq are examples of what happens when "tough" but reasonable foreign policy goes off the rails. A lesson to learn from both sad wars is how to tow that line. We're not going to invade Iran, obviously, and its currently impossible for the people to overthrow the regime.

So, whether the Left, Right, or Center likes this or not, the reality is that we must "keep Iran in check." That means a long, patient struggle with a lot of action in the shadows. We can't be pacifists, as you point out, but I'd argue we should aim to be "owls" instead of hawks or doves.

Thank you again--sincerely--for your family's sacrifice to our great country.

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Terry Hilldale's avatar

Owls instead of hawks or doves. Very good.

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Victoria Brown's avatar

Agree with much of what you said. Thank you for your service.

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