Best I can estimate is that because this is the IDF doing things within their own borders to their own citizens—yes, until Palestinians have their own state then they are Israeli citizens—then it’s viewed kind of like how the start of the Syrian civil war was when Assad was gassing his own people via chemical agents and “barrel bombs” dropped from air assets.
It makes me wonder if there was already a 2-state solution in place prior to 10/7 and Gaza was a part of an established Palestinian state then would this be treated more like the US vs Iraq than Israel vs its own citizens? Or is this higher visibility and criticism level simply because it is Jews doing this to Muslims? Hard to tell without knowing what the public response to the counter-factual scenario would look like.
IMO the best term is "Israeli subjects." The land and people are not formally Israel-proper, but are entirely under the umbrella of Israeli law (in this sense only, akin to a place like American Samoa, under US law).
There are 2 million ethnic-Palestinian citizens of Israel (blue IDs), with voting rights, but we're talking about the 5 million West Bank and Gaza residents (green IDs), who are *subject* to Israeli law but have no say in it.
I think the Jews doing this to Muslims piece you mention probably is the overriding factor. Given the dynamics of the region, it plays into the oppressor vs oppressed theme, and I think there are also varying levels of anti-semitism at play. Did anyone mention genocide when Assad was gassing his own people?
People seem to be conflating war with genocide, but only selectively, and I’m trying to understand what’s behind the selective treatment.
Best I can estimate is that because this is the IDF doing things within their own borders to their own citizens—yes, until Palestinians have their own state then they are Israeli citizens—then it’s viewed kind of like how the start of the Syrian civil war was when Assad was gassing his own people via chemical agents and “barrel bombs” dropped from air assets.
It makes me wonder if there was already a 2-state solution in place prior to 10/7 and Gaza was a part of an established Palestinian state then would this be treated more like the US vs Iraq than Israel vs its own citizens? Or is this higher visibility and criticism level simply because it is Jews doing this to Muslims? Hard to tell without knowing what the public response to the counter-factual scenario would look like.
To be clear here Travis, the Palestinians in Gaza and The West Bank are not Israeli citizens.
Okay, “residents” of Israel rather than citizens, but still….
IMO the best term is "Israeli subjects." The land and people are not formally Israel-proper, but are entirely under the umbrella of Israeli law (in this sense only, akin to a place like American Samoa, under US law).
There are 2 million ethnic-Palestinian citizens of Israel (blue IDs), with voting rights, but we're talking about the 5 million West Bank and Gaza residents (green IDs), who are *subject* to Israeli law but have no say in it.
They're not even residents of Israel. Gaza and the West Bank are not part of Israel at all.
I think the Jews doing this to Muslims piece you mention probably is the overriding factor. Given the dynamics of the region, it plays into the oppressor vs oppressed theme, and I think there are also varying levels of anti-semitism at play. Did anyone mention genocide when Assad was gassing his own people?
Good point. When a Muslim gov is gassing their own people nobody gave a shit because it’s Muslim-on-Muslim.