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I'm going to posit something here: maybe the reason the normie republican candidates are so bad is because the normie republican positions are bad?

Hear me out. What exactly IS the normie not-MAGA position on the various issues? The one you point out is Ukraine, but in that case, the position is identical to the Democratic Party's position on Ukraine. So that's not a uniquely normie Republican position. If anything, given their size relative to the party, that's a Democratic party position they've adopted.

Furthermore, let's ask another question: what policies of the previous GOP ethos should we be currently adopting? Whenever I hear defenses of Reagan, it usually boils down to defenses of his outlook; morning in America, shining city on a hill, all that stuff. Most of it does not boil down to his actual policies, which stem from bad in hindsight (Iran-Contra) to bad at the time (gutting things like the EPA).

In fact, moving forward, I have argued before and I will argue again that if you were behind the GOP's position on nearly ANY issue over the last twenty years, you've been wrong. That's not to say that there isn't a room for conservative ideas, but the position the GOP has taken has been objectively incorrect on nearly every measure.

The War on Terror was not quick or easy to win. Privatizing healthcare and opposing the affordable healthcare act was not a good idea. There were no 'death panels.' The immigration 'crisis' did not materialize. The debt increased far more under GOP presidents than Democratic ones. Gay marriage being legal did not lead to people marrying animals. Climate change is not a hoax. Removing the gun control legislation for things like assault weapons did in fact lead to an increase in mass shootings. Deregulating the financial industry did in fact lead to recessions and crisis in various financial industries such as mortgages. Gutting the various restrictions on money in politics did in fact lead to corrosive effects in politics.

None of this means that the far left position of say, Bernie Sanders is correct. But nor does his existence mean that any of these things I've said are less true. If you supported the GOP position on these issues over the last twenty years, you've been objectively wrong on what would happen. This has played out in real time too; GOP led states are poorer, have higher crime rates, and less opportunity than Democratic led states. If you had the misfortune of living somewhere like Kansas during their last Governor, then you got to experience what happens when they literally try to dismantle everything and watch it collapse.

All of this is to say that if you're a 'normie' non-Maga GOP member, you either need to believe that you were wrong on everything and yet still don't want to change course, or you believe that if you just wait long enough, eventually you'll be right, like waiting to put out a house fire because you think eventually it'll rain.

Because ultimately, if you're a pro-Democracy pro-free trade individual, that makes your candidate Joe Biden. Every other 'normie' republican has either joined MAGA or decided to step aside.

Which to me means that the reason all these normie candidates like Haley fail is because all the normie GOP positions are either out dated or terrible. At best, they're just repeating talking points from fifteen years ago. At worst, they've got nothing to say. And Haley has nothing to say, nothing to contribute. She could be replaced by a cardboard cutout with a speaker and nothing would be lost.

And lest we forget, this is a woman who served as Trump's UN ambassador and defended things like his Muslim ban in front of the world. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if there is going to be a conservative alternative to MAGA it isn't going to come from the people who failed to defeat it the first time. It will need to be something new, because at present, the old guard have nothing to say, and very little worth listening to in practice.

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Mingus Khan's avatar

"The American people are too smart to vote for a convicted felon. I, however, am not that smart"

-Nikki Haley

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