That's the maddening part. Donnie's demented (literally) word salad is regarded as ho-hum-no-big-deal. Biden is logical, coherent, rambles a little and is regarded as senile. Darn liberal media!
That's the maddening part. Donnie's demented (literally) word salad is regarded as ho-hum-no-big-deal. Biden is logical, coherent, rambles a little and is regarded as senile. Darn liberal media!
I agree with Keith Olberman. Biden should take up Trump's acuity challenge. A direct comparison of mental acuity would not go well for the King of Word Salad who can't go three words without a self reference.
I think this is a great idea! Like a game show! Several contests, aired in multiple showings, including a game of jeopardy, teleprompter reading, and basic civics. Maybe a an easy maze or obstacle course. And, the MAGA nuts will watch it!
It's annoying that Democratic pols always take the high road. I think it came from many generations of Democrats being considered crude working class/ union organizer thugs. Even Harvard trained Kennedy was a bit of a rabble rouser. My grandmother voted Democratic because she said they were for working people. Right-wing billionaires and media moguls like Murdoch and grifters like Trump have decided that being for unions and big cities is too high class for the "real" Americans ( and certainly for big business) and Trump has capitalized on that by pretending to be down with the people because he's ignorant. He is only ignorant because his uber rich father gave him everything and required no education, no morals, no character. It is the working class in NYC who hate him, because he has spit on the working class and trades people of that city by refusing to pay honest wages or for goods a services. The priveledge of slaving for Trump should be payment enough. The only people who believe him are farmers and fundamental religious people who have been raised on fairy tales.
oh of course, i'm just referencing (via all in the family, if you're too young for the reference!) the last of the old-school democrats who was willing to take the fight to the opposition in very direct terms.
doesn't matter who the democrat is, the smear machine will kick into high gear.
HeтАЩd just turn the entire affair into a spectacle. As the adage goes, тАЬNever wrestle with a pig because you'll both get dirty and the pig likes it.тАЭ...:)
I agree. I don't agree with Oberman. Biden is too shrewd to get into this circus. We all know Biden is way smarter than Trump, he does not need to prove it. That will give Trump more limelight and I imagine that Trump will get there, ignore the questions and start spewing nonsense and "the election was stolen" shit.
Maybe you're right, but the sound bites available for Dem campaign ads might just be priceless. What is more likely to happen is Trump would announce 24 hours before the challenge that the tests were unfair and refuse to participate. At that point Biden should declare himself the undisputed champion of the acuity challenge and hold up a big gaudy belt.
How about they both just release their college transcripts first. I heard one of TrumpтАЩs college professors say that he graduated in the bottom half of the class. And TrumpтАЩs former fixer, Cohen said that Trump forced him to threaten U of Penn, if they released it, because Trump knew it wouldnтАЩt look good for him.
It would be like my talk with a relative who is a flat earther. He engaged me in a discussion because he knows that I am a scientist retired from NASA. I made the mistake of citing satellites and that planets are gloves because it is the most stable form when matter from the big bang condensed. Well, it did not go well. He accused me of being a liar and of having sworn an oath at NASA to lie and say that the earth was a glob while he "knows" it is flat. Sometimes, the best thing is not to engage, especially with the brain dead MAGAS.
I often interact with MAGAs on social media to counter the rightwing propaganda they regularly consume, although I know I am hitting my head against a brick wall. When I present facts and evidence that refutes some lie or conspiracy theory they are posting or sharing, the common responses are that 1) I am a communist, 2) brainwashed by CNN, or 3) that whatever sources I used (Wash Post, NY Times, PolitiFact, the Atlantic, NASA, etc.) are leftist/liberal and not credible.
Beverly - your comment struck a chord with me, I have to share this with you. I often do the same on Xitter, trying to have civil-ish dialogue with (relatively) reasonable MAGAs I happen to encounter. Call it a sociology experiment. My wife calls it something else.
Inevitably I get the same dismissive and/or insulting responses that you do. Occasionally I persist for sport, and keep it civil and fact-based (it ain't easy) even after the dismissive/ignorant response(s). After a few more exchanges, with me neither insulting them in return nor letting go of the point at hand, I try to respond again ... and find myself blocked.
They seem to reach a point where insults don't end the discussion, and the facts and civility keep coming, so they just pull the plug. It happens more often than not in those situations. I find it funny/curious, for what it's worth. Blow on them long enough and they fall over!
And never, never, never have any of them conceded anything ("hey, good point, now that you put it that way"). Easier to run away.
Yes, I have also encountered the cut off response, but more often they tell me to go away, or they tell me that I am suffering from TDS - that's one of their favorite comebacks. If you are always able to remain polite, you're a finer person than me Mike! I began with all good intentions to be always civil, polite, and kind - and as Michelle Obama once said, "to go high when they go low." Alas, I am also not so fine or disciplined a person as MO either - and I had no idea how really low so many of them will go. There came a point when I began to be so frustrated and disgusted with their smug condescension and insults coupled with of willful ignorance, bigotry, racism and even viciousness that too often now I do become rude in return. I think those of us who try to interact with them on any regular basis probably could use a support group to help us deal with the feelings they provoke.
I too have been regularly diagnosed with TDS. LOL, sign me up for that support group.
IтАЩll confess that for every one of my polite interactions, thereтАЩs at least a couple that arenтАЩt so polite. Most of the social media MAGAs and trolls are not worth the effort of civility.
And don't forget that if you cite some authority figure that agrees with your claim, the Trumplicant response is that they are certainly "members of the Deep State".
That makes sense. However, why would Biden want to do that? He is governing. He does not need to get into this. If he did, then the Magas would say that his transcripts were doctored by the deep state.
I suspect we will not live long enough to see the day when Trump's frequent word salads are held to the same level of scrutiny as Biden's occasional flubs, or pretty much anyone else's. Because Trump enjoys the home field advantage of low expectations, such that whenever he talks and acts like a jackass, supporters and even media outlets respond, if at all, with overtones that essentially equate to "That's just Donald being Donald" and blow it off. It is grossly unfair, but it's how they roll, and if it hasn't changed by now, it likely isn't going to do so ever. Our lot is to fight through it and try to focus on actual messaging more than the messenger.
Trump is an idiot with a very limited vocabulary. I swear to god, the man only knows two adjectives, strong and powerful. He rambles and is illogical. But without rose-colored glasses on, Biden looks confused (not saying he is confused, but thatтАЩs how he appears.) He looks tired. Unsteady, like a stiff breeze would knock him over. Nothing about Trump seems weakтАФexcept his intellect, of course, but the average voter is not particularly bright, either. Right or wrong, perception, appearances matter. Another 14 months before the election. God help us.
You forgot TrumpтАЩs favourite adjective for ant woman who doesnтАЩt worship the ground he walks on - nasty. To him, every strong woman with a mind of her own is nasty. Talk about projection...
In the early days I thought the former president was using "code" that only he and his loyal followers understand. The rest of the world doesn't count so there is no need to be clear and precise. It was a speaking style I noted comes from New Yorkers of a certain time. I have relatives who were New Yorkers of a certain class and born 20 years before Trump who had a similar style of talking...a phrase, wink wink, nudge nudge...and everyone understood if they were of the same origin. I was an in law raised in a different part of the country and didn't recognize the code. The former president's followers who shared his grievances recognized the code.
Yes, and the corollary is that whenever Trump manages not to use the F-bomb, we're treated to 3 articles about how he's learning to be Presidential. It is what it is. We all know the media moguls are hoping and praying for another Trump term. The last one was so profitable!
That's the maddening part. Donnie's demented (literally) word salad is regarded as ho-hum-no-big-deal. Biden is logical, coherent, rambles a little and is regarded as senile. Darn liberal media!
I agree with Keith Olberman. Biden should take up Trump's acuity challenge. A direct comparison of mental acuity would not go well for the King of Word Salad who can't go three words without a self reference.
I think this is a great idea! Like a game show! Several contests, aired in multiple showings, including a game of jeopardy, teleprompter reading, and basic civics. Maybe a an easy maze or obstacle course. And, the MAGA nuts will watch it!
I still like the idea of a bicycle race.
It's annoying that Democratic pols always take the high road. I think it came from many generations of Democrats being considered crude working class/ union organizer thugs. Even Harvard trained Kennedy was a bit of a rabble rouser. My grandmother voted Democratic because she said they were for working people. Right-wing billionaires and media moguls like Murdoch and grifters like Trump have decided that being for unions and big cities is too high class for the "real" Americans ( and certainly for big business) and Trump has capitalized on that by pretending to be down with the people because he's ignorant. He is only ignorant because his uber rich father gave him everything and required no education, no morals, no character. It is the working class in NYC who hate him, because he has spit on the working class and trades people of that city by refusing to pay honest wages or for goods a services. The priveledge of slaving for Trump should be payment enough. The only people who believe him are farmers and fundamental religious people who have been raised on fairy tales.
We could use a man like Hubert Humphrey again!
Probably, but Trum'ps media team and Mirdochs Fox News would smear him like Biden.
oh of course, i'm just referencing (via all in the family, if you're too young for the reference!) the last of the old-school democrats who was willing to take the fight to the opposition in very direct terms.
doesn't matter who the democrat is, the smear machine will kick into high gear.
HeтАЩd just turn the entire affair into a spectacle. As the adage goes, тАЬNever wrestle with a pig because you'll both get dirty and the pig likes it.тАЭ...:)
I agree. I don't agree with Oberman. Biden is too shrewd to get into this circus. We all know Biden is way smarter than Trump, he does not need to prove it. That will give Trump more limelight and I imagine that Trump will get there, ignore the questions and start spewing nonsense and "the election was stolen" shit.
Well saidтАж:)
Maybe you're right, but the sound bites available for Dem campaign ads might just be priceless. What is more likely to happen is Trump would announce 24 hours before the challenge that the tests were unfair and refuse to participate. At that point Biden should declare himself the undisputed champion of the acuity challenge and hold up a big gaudy belt.
How about they both just release their college transcripts first. I heard one of TrumpтАЩs college professors say that he graduated in the bottom half of the class. And TrumpтАЩs former fixer, Cohen said that Trump forced him to threaten U of Penn, if they released it, because Trump knew it wouldnтАЩt look good for him.
His sister said that Trump paid someone to take his SAT exam for him.
It would be like my talk with a relative who is a flat earther. He engaged me in a discussion because he knows that I am a scientist retired from NASA. I made the mistake of citing satellites and that planets are gloves because it is the most stable form when matter from the big bang condensed. Well, it did not go well. He accused me of being a liar and of having sworn an oath at NASA to lie and say that the earth was a glob while he "knows" it is flat. Sometimes, the best thing is not to engage, especially with the brain dead MAGAS.
Wow! That is interesting. Both being a scientist for NASA, and having a relative whose a flat earth-er.
You must have some incredible stories to tell; about both IтАЩm sure....:)
Now weтАЩre beholden to the likes of a mad--(I wouldnтАЩt call him a scientist), Musk, whose definitely is mad and nuts.
I guess Musk must have taken it personally when someone suggested heтАЩs out of this world...:)
It's pretty much pointless, like trying to teach pigs to sing. It's doomed to failure and it just annoys the pigs.
But the point is to annoy the teachers more.
I often interact with MAGAs on social media to counter the rightwing propaganda they regularly consume, although I know I am hitting my head against a brick wall. When I present facts and evidence that refutes some lie or conspiracy theory they are posting or sharing, the common responses are that 1) I am a communist, 2) brainwashed by CNN, or 3) that whatever sources I used (Wash Post, NY Times, PolitiFact, the Atlantic, NASA, etc.) are leftist/liberal and not credible.
Beverly - your comment struck a chord with me, I have to share this with you. I often do the same on Xitter, trying to have civil-ish dialogue with (relatively) reasonable MAGAs I happen to encounter. Call it a sociology experiment. My wife calls it something else.
Inevitably I get the same dismissive and/or insulting responses that you do. Occasionally I persist for sport, and keep it civil and fact-based (it ain't easy) even after the dismissive/ignorant response(s). After a few more exchanges, with me neither insulting them in return nor letting go of the point at hand, I try to respond again ... and find myself blocked.
They seem to reach a point where insults don't end the discussion, and the facts and civility keep coming, so they just pull the plug. It happens more often than not in those situations. I find it funny/curious, for what it's worth. Blow on them long enough and they fall over!
And never, never, never have any of them conceded anything ("hey, good point, now that you put it that way"). Easier to run away.
Yes, I have also encountered the cut off response, but more often they tell me to go away, or they tell me that I am suffering from TDS - that's one of their favorite comebacks. If you are always able to remain polite, you're a finer person than me Mike! I began with all good intentions to be always civil, polite, and kind - and as Michelle Obama once said, "to go high when they go low." Alas, I am also not so fine or disciplined a person as MO either - and I had no idea how really low so many of them will go. There came a point when I began to be so frustrated and disgusted with their smug condescension and insults coupled with of willful ignorance, bigotry, racism and even viciousness that too often now I do become rude in return. I think those of us who try to interact with them on any regular basis probably could use a support group to help us deal with the feelings they provoke.
I too have been regularly diagnosed with TDS. LOL, sign me up for that support group.
IтАЩll confess that for every one of my polite interactions, thereтАЩs at least a couple that arenтАЩt so polite. Most of the social media MAGAs and trolls are not worth the effort of civility.
And don't forget that if you cite some authority figure that agrees with your claim, the Trumplicant response is that they are certainly "members of the Deep State".
I have tried, irrationally it would seem, to believe that such people aren't really serious. Your story is making it harder to do so.
That makes sense. However, why would Biden want to do that? He is governing. He does not need to get into this. If he did, then the Magas would say that his transcripts were doctored by the deep state.
Very true..:)
Which is stupid because his illiterate fans would consider ignorance a badge if honor. They don't need no book learnin.
Daddy Drumpf, in essence, bought li'l Donnie's diploma for him. His "Cs" weren't even "gentlemen's;" they were, plain and simple, bought and paid for.
I suspect we will not live long enough to see the day when Trump's frequent word salads are held to the same level of scrutiny as Biden's occasional flubs, or pretty much anyone else's. Because Trump enjoys the home field advantage of low expectations, such that whenever he talks and acts like a jackass, supporters and even media outlets respond, if at all, with overtones that essentially equate to "That's just Donald being Donald" and blow it off. It is grossly unfair, but it's how they roll, and if it hasn't changed by now, it likely isn't going to do so ever. Our lot is to fight through it and try to focus on actual messaging more than the messenger.
Trump is an idiot with a very limited vocabulary. I swear to god, the man only knows two adjectives, strong and powerful. He rambles and is illogical. But without rose-colored glasses on, Biden looks confused (not saying he is confused, but thatтАЩs how he appears.) He looks tired. Unsteady, like a stiff breeze would knock him over. Nothing about Trump seems weakтАФexcept his intellect, of course, but the average voter is not particularly bright, either. Right or wrong, perception, appearances matter. Another 14 months before the election. God help us.
You forgot TrumpтАЩs favourite adjective for ant woman who doesnтАЩt worship the ground he walks on - nasty. To him, every strong woman with a mind of her own is nasty. Talk about projection...
OK, you got me. And I suppose I should have included crooked and rigged, too.
What about "huge" and " perfect"
You mean тАЬyugeтАЭ. And perfect, as in every call heтАЩs ever made. OK thatтАЩs 7. HeтАЩs still a moron.
In the early days I thought the former president was using "code" that only he and his loyal followers understand. The rest of the world doesn't count so there is no need to be clear and precise. It was a speaking style I noted comes from New Yorkers of a certain time. I have relatives who were New Yorkers of a certain class and born 20 years before Trump who had a similar style of talking...a phrase, wink wink, nudge nudge...and everyone understood if they were of the same origin. I was an in law raised in a different part of the country and didn't recognize the code. The former president's followers who shared his grievances recognized the code.
Yes, and the corollary is that whenever Trump manages not to use the F-bomb, we're treated to 3 articles about how he's learning to be Presidential. It is what it is. We all know the media moguls are hoping and praying for another Trump term. The last one was so profitable!