I don’t like the Spanish Inquisition tone. Why should anyone have to show contrition for not voting for Trump or Kamala for moral reasons? I don’t like MAGA for their purity tests and sit down and do what you’re told mentality, I certainly won’t support it from anti-Trumpers. More people didn’t vote or voted third party than did not vote for Harris and the entire electorate moved right. Let’s say we tackle that instead of creating scapegoats of our own.
Zionist are neither right, nor doing the right thing.
Opposing genocide is ALWAYS the right thing, simply because genocide is ALWAYS the worst possible outcome. It is the crime of crimes. It is the ultimate violation of humanity. There is nothing worse, nothing you can "both sides".
Why has The Bulwark not covered the wave of supporters of Israel, many of whom are domestically liberal, supporting Trump?
Do they consider the shredding of rule of law, tanking the economy, and shredding global alliances a price worth paying to give Israel a little more freedom to respond to Hamas? Are they in denial that such a cost is being paid?
If no to both, what can be done to win such voters (back) to the anti-MAGA coalition?
Name one person who has responsibility for assuring military compliance with LOAC who says that what Israel is doing is genocide.
If you say that's irrelevant, do you accept RFK Jr's opinion about vaccine as simply another valid approach to keeping Americans healthy, or do you think that we should listen to those with the relevant expertise to evaluate the evidence? If the latter, why do you consider expertise vital for public health matters, but to be ignored when it interferes with your feeling smug about morality in war?
In addition, I have been trying (and honestly failing) to keep up with the reports by well-respected human rights organizations that have supplied the legal evidence that Israel is committing genocide. There have been a few additional reports recently, that I have not included in my compendium:
None of the sources you cite have any role in assuring compliance with LOAC. None of them show any interest in balancing military objectives with risks of collateral damage, instead they all simply disregard Israel's objectives and the operational reality that Hamas creates in trying to achieve that objective.
"or do you think that we should listen to those with the relevant expertise to evaluate the evidence?"
I do. That's why I am (trying) to keep up a compedium of reports from independent, long-standing, human-rights organizations.
Can you name a SINGLE such human rights organization that disagrees? Because I haven't found one. Can you name a SINGLE organization that isn't funded by Israel or the US State Deparment that disagrees? Because I haven't found one of those either.
When the World Central Kitchen tragedy resulted in 15 deaths, including and Australian citizen, the Australian Foreign Minister insisted that the Australian Defense Ministry do its own investigation. The Australian Defense Ministry reached the same conclusion as the Israeli government and said that Israel investigates in the same manner that Australian Defense Ministry would.
The WCK killings were NOT a tragedy. The IDF were given the route of the WCK workers, followed their convoy for hours, and then deliberately targeted them, one after another, firing missile after missile, till everyone was dead.
And they killed them for a reason: to stop 3rd parties delivering food to civilians, ie, to use starvation as a weapon of wars
(They also did it to prove, successfully, that they had legal impunity and nothing could prevent them from such killing).
But you made a claim: a testable claim.
You said “The Australian Defense Ministry reached the same conclusion as the Israeli government”.
Please, forward me the evidence for this claim. Show me the independent investigation by the ADF.
"That's why I am (trying) to keep up a compedium of reports from independent, long-standing, human-rights organizations."
The human rights organizations have no role in assuring compliance with LOAC. They come in and finger wag as they please about collateral damage. But they do not look at military objectives and any kind of assessment of validity of those objectives and balancing between those objectives and potential for collateral damage. That's what JAG officers, and their foreign equivalents, do.
As to validity of the human rights organizations, are you aware that several years ago there was a proposal at an Amnesty International forum to turn attention to antisemitism? That proposal was voted down. Do you think a human rights organization that wasn't hopelessly biased against Israel would have done that?
No they are not on display. Intent requires that there is no other plausible explanation for the actions. Can you cite a single MILITARY assessment that Israel does not 1) have a valid military objective in Gaza that 2) cannot be achieved with less collateral damage?
Human rights organizations do not qualify as experts for military assessments.
As to the acts, explain the measures that Israel is taking to facilitate the delivery of aid while bypassing Hamas.
The people in the article are just plain stupid, with tons of arrogance and self righteonous throen in.
The Democrats need to stay as far away from these fools as possible if they want to win.
As for the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, I have had a 'Plague on both your houses" attitude for a long time. What gets to me...and some comments in the thread show it, is how the fervent supportoers of either side in this conflict have such a indredible double standard: If my side does it it's OK, the other side does it, it's evil.
People will go so far to avoid admitting they are wrong. This is an extreme example of that kind of emotional stupidity and unwillingness to think beyond the level we do as toddlers.
Are you talking about the people who support a genocide, even though the majority of Americans are against it, and in at least three swing states, advocating for an embargo on arms to Israel was a net vote winner?
No. I was alluding to the fact that punishing the people who are not standing against a potential genocide strongly enough by supporting the person who has literally called for genocide is just as intelligent as punishing the person who yelled at me by supporting the person who punched me in the face.
They make it hard to defend Trump/Green party supporters from deportation without due process but if we don't preserve their rights no one has civil rights.
The Green Party seems like it abandoned its commitment to the environment and became a tool of Putin.
Obviously the American Palestinians must be relieved since Netanyahu has announced a plan to "depopulate" Gaza in order to hold his right wing coalition together. The Israeli version of "from the river to the sea."
The thought that any nation has a "right to exist" whether a Jewish or Palestinian state is nonsense. States exist only because they have the power to establish and preserve themselves. Israel has that power and the Palestinians do not. The absorption of the West Bank and Gaza is irreversible and inevitable. Whether Iran likes it or not.
I don’t like the Spanish Inquisition tone. Why should anyone have to show contrition for not voting for Trump or Kamala for moral reasons? I don’t like MAGA for their purity tests and sit down and do what you’re told mentality, I certainly won’t support it from anti-Trumpers. More people didn’t vote or voted third party than did not vote for Harris and the entire electorate moved right. Let’s say we tackle that instead of creating scapegoats of our own.
This is what happens when you care more about being right than about doing the right thing.
Zionist are neither right, nor doing the right thing.
Opposing genocide is ALWAYS the right thing, simply because genocide is ALWAYS the worst possible outcome. It is the crime of crimes. It is the ultimate violation of humanity. There is nothing worse, nothing you can "both sides".
You completely misinterpret my comment.
Then you have my sincere apology.
These are some of the most useless people on the planet. They deserve all the derision directed towards them.
Why has The Bulwark not covered the wave of supporters of Israel, many of whom are domestically liberal, supporting Trump?
Do they consider the shredding of rule of law, tanking the economy, and shredding global alliances a price worth paying to give Israel a little more freedom to respond to Hamas? Are they in denial that such a cost is being paid?
If no to both, what can be done to win such voters (back) to the anti-MAGA coalition?
Because The Bulwark would prefer to see Trump win rather than prevent Israel from committing genocide.
Name one person who has responsibility for assuring military compliance with LOAC who says that what Israel is doing is genocide.
If you say that's irrelevant, do you accept RFK Jr's opinion about vaccine as simply another valid approach to keeping Americans healthy, or do you think that we should listen to those with the relevant expertise to evaluate the evidence? If the latter, why do you consider expertise vital for public health matters, but to be ignored when it interferes with your feeling smug about morality in war?
Oh, I'm big on evidence. So sure, I will answer your question.
AFAIK, at least 7 have resigned from the State Department, and a few are speaking out. Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jjEb9Db35Y
https://youtu.be/oI--BvP3lpg?si=fKWWxiWl1iJFff59
https://youtu.be/nRI-MtoSD_E?si=Oul7W45ZHxvopfT1
In addition, I have been trying (and honestly failing) to keep up with the reports by well-respected human rights organizations that have supplied the legal evidence that Israel is committing genocide. There have been a few additional reports recently, that I have not included in my compendium:
https://parrhizzia1.substack.com/p/the-most-moral-country?r=3hh94p
None of the sources you cite have any role in assuring compliance with LOAC. None of them show any interest in balancing military objectives with risks of collateral damage, instead they all simply disregard Israel's objectives and the operational reality that Hamas creates in trying to achieve that objective.
"or do you think that we should listen to those with the relevant expertise to evaluate the evidence?"
I do. That's why I am (trying) to keep up a compedium of reports from independent, long-standing, human-rights organizations.
Can you name a SINGLE such human rights organization that disagrees? Because I haven't found one. Can you name a SINGLE organization that isn't funded by Israel or the US State Deparment that disagrees? Because I haven't found one of those either.
When the World Central Kitchen tragedy resulted in 15 deaths, including and Australian citizen, the Australian Foreign Minister insisted that the Australian Defense Ministry do its own investigation. The Australian Defense Ministry reached the same conclusion as the Israeli government and said that Israel investigates in the same manner that Australian Defense Ministry would.
The WCK killings were NOT a tragedy. The IDF were given the route of the WCK workers, followed their convoy for hours, and then deliberately targeted them, one after another, firing missile after missile, till everyone was dead.
And they killed them for a reason: to stop 3rd parties delivering food to civilians, ie, to use starvation as a weapon of wars
(They also did it to prove, successfully, that they had legal impunity and nothing could prevent them from such killing).
But you made a claim: a testable claim.
You said “The Australian Defense Ministry reached the same conclusion as the Israeli government”.
Please, forward me the evidence for this claim. Show me the independent investigation by the ADF.
"That's why I am (trying) to keep up a compedium of reports from independent, long-standing, human-rights organizations."
The human rights organizations have no role in assuring compliance with LOAC. They come in and finger wag as they please about collateral damage. But they do not look at military objectives and any kind of assessment of validity of those objectives and balancing between those objectives and potential for collateral damage. That's what JAG officers, and their foreign equivalents, do.
As to validity of the human rights organizations, are you aware that several years ago there was a proposal at an Amnesty International forum to turn attention to antisemitism? That proposal was voted down. Do you think a human rights organization that wasn't hopelessly biased against Israel would have done that?
"Can you name a SINGLE organization that isn't funded by Israel or the US State Deparment that disagrees?"
The High Level Military Group. https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/CourtRecords/0902ebd180920f26.pdf
The “High Level Military Group” is funded by Israel.
In answer to your (snide?) question about "RFK Jr's opinion", no, I don't put any weight behind it.
But only because he presents NO evidence to support his "opinion".
Evidence, evidence, evidence. We can see evidence of Israel's genocide all around. Genocide requires both intent AND acts. Both are on clear display.
"Genocide requires both intent AND acts."
No they are not on display. Intent requires that there is no other plausible explanation for the actions. Can you cite a single MILITARY assessment that Israel does not 1) have a valid military objective in Gaza that 2) cannot be achieved with less collateral damage?
Human rights organizations do not qualify as experts for military assessments.
As to the acts, explain the measures that Israel is taking to facilitate the delivery of aid while bypassing Hamas.
Some of those who took on only one side in our elections is as guilty as Trump and BIBI in the Genocide of Palestine.
Just remember as you go to sleep every night your compadres in the genocide of your own.
Don't call him that. He's a wanted international war criminal.
Call him the name on the ICC warrant.
Stupid is as stupid does. I can’t believe these idiots.
And we can't believe genocidaires.
Mainly because they lie so god-damn much.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1916889129771577847
To Quote Bugs Bunny: "Whatta a bunch of Maroons"
The people in the article are just plain stupid, with tons of arrogance and self righteonous throen in.
The Democrats need to stay as far away from these fools as possible if they want to win.
As for the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, I have had a 'Plague on both your houses" attitude for a long time. What gets to me...and some comments in the thread show it, is how the fervent supportoers of either side in this conflict have such a indredible double standard: If my side does it it's OK, the other side does it, it's evil.
"plain stupid, with tons of arrogance and self righteonous throen in".
"throen".
One day you grow up, and try to change the things you can actually change. And try not to harm everyone else in the process.
Sorry, is this platitude in support of the genocide, or in opposition to the genocide?
People will go so far to avoid admitting they are wrong. This is an extreme example of that kind of emotional stupidity and unwillingness to think beyond the level we do as toddlers.
Are you talking about the people who support a genocide, even though the majority of Americans are against it, and in at least three swing states, advocating for an embargo on arms to Israel was a net vote winner?
No. I was alluding to the fact that punishing the people who are not standing against a potential genocide strongly enough by supporting the person who has literally called for genocide is just as intelligent as punishing the person who yelled at me by supporting the person who punched me in the face.
Well they are pretty dumb then. Trump will let Netanyahu invade, control and raze anything he wants in Gaza.
So these activists gave MATERIAL ASSISTANCE to the forces they claim are committing genocide.
They make it hard to defend Trump/Green party supporters from deportation without due process but if we don't preserve their rights no one has civil rights.
The Green Party seems like it abandoned its commitment to the environment and became a tool of Putin.
So if I’m suffering, the rest of the world must suffer too. This is not capturing the moral or common sense high ground.
I am glad you know good from bad .Does that make you God ?
Ignorance will kill more people than any bomb.
I dunno, Israel is killing plenty of people* with 2000lb bombs.
* That's if you consider refugees in tents "people".
These thugs are supportive of a terrorist group that continues to hold hostages. So I'm hardly surprised.
You're talking about Israel, right?
Talk about the height of arrogance (or stupidity) in not having any regret. Important piece, thank you.
Do you have any regret for supporting a material supporter of genocide, who lied to you about seeking a ceasefire?
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1916889129771577847
Obviously the American Palestinians must be relieved since Netanyahu has announced a plan to "depopulate" Gaza in order to hold his right wing coalition together. The Israeli version of "from the river to the sea."
The thought that any nation has a "right to exist" whether a Jewish or Palestinian state is nonsense. States exist only because they have the power to establish and preserve themselves. Israel has that power and the Palestinians do not. The absorption of the West Bank and Gaza is irreversible and inevitable. Whether Iran likes it or not.
> The Israeli version of "from the river to the sea."
Uh, yeah, from the river to the sea was supposed to be Israel.
Was it?