Along with the cost increase (and possibly because of it) has also come what I suspect (no time to do the numbers) is a decrease in access to the premier (and even just good) schools.
Okay, I took a second to look at one example: Harvard. Took in 2,200 in 1982. Took in 1,980 in 2021.
That's just one example not keeping up with popula…
Along with the cost increase (and possibly because of it) has also come what I suspect (no time to do the numbers) is a decrease in access to the premier (and even just good) schools.
Okay, I took a second to look at one example: Harvard. Took in 2,200 in 1982. Took in 1,980 in 2021.
That's just one example not keeping up with population growth, and I'm not 100% sure it fully translates to other prestigious or even well regarded schools, but I suspect it does. I don't think Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Stanford, Vanderbilt, etc. are keeping up with population levels. I definitely know it is a hell of a lot harder to get into some of those schools than it used to be. OSU used to require a pulse, now the average ACT is 31. When I was growing up in Ohio it was the fallback school anyone could get into. Now, not so much.
So to your point, a 'good' (or better) school is now much more expensive and harder to get into academically.
I'm not sure what a "good or better" school is. People can/do get very good education at state universities, including those in states like ND, etc. The mystique for Harvard frankly is hard to fathom when so many of the MAGAs come from those elite schools! And yes, all those state schools have become more expensive, thanks to cuts in state budgets.
A good or better school is to me, generally one of the ones you've heard of. That's a lazy mental shortcut, but I know damn well it goes on all the time. That isn't to say you can't get a good education at a school that isn't well known, but outside of various specialties, your odds are better (for employment opportunities) at an Ohio State, USC, Texas, Northwestern, Rutgers, etc., etc., than they are at Youngstown State, Zane State, Blufton, Ohio Northern, Slippery Rock, Wayne State, etc., etc.
I only used Harvard as an example of what is considered top flight not remotely keeping up with population growth.
I used the term 'good or better' to try and get past any notions of comparing schools at the large state schools and above. That Northwestern is a 'better' school than Ohio State or that Texas has a better environmental law program than Harvard (I have no idea) is beside the point I was trying to make.
Along with the cost increase (and possibly because of it) has also come what I suspect (no time to do the numbers) is a decrease in access to the premier (and even just good) schools.
Okay, I took a second to look at one example: Harvard. Took in 2,200 in 1982. Took in 1,980 in 2021.
That's just one example not keeping up with population growth, and I'm not 100% sure it fully translates to other prestigious or even well regarded schools, but I suspect it does. I don't think Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Stanford, Vanderbilt, etc. are keeping up with population levels. I definitely know it is a hell of a lot harder to get into some of those schools than it used to be. OSU used to require a pulse, now the average ACT is 31. When I was growing up in Ohio it was the fallback school anyone could get into. Now, not so much.
So to your point, a 'good' (or better) school is now much more expensive and harder to get into academically.
I'm not sure what a "good or better" school is. People can/do get very good education at state universities, including those in states like ND, etc. The mystique for Harvard frankly is hard to fathom when so many of the MAGAs come from those elite schools! And yes, all those state schools have become more expensive, thanks to cuts in state budgets.
A good or better school is to me, generally one of the ones you've heard of. That's a lazy mental shortcut, but I know damn well it goes on all the time. That isn't to say you can't get a good education at a school that isn't well known, but outside of various specialties, your odds are better (for employment opportunities) at an Ohio State, USC, Texas, Northwestern, Rutgers, etc., etc., than they are at Youngstown State, Zane State, Blufton, Ohio Northern, Slippery Rock, Wayne State, etc., etc.
I only used Harvard as an example of what is considered top flight not remotely keeping up with population growth.
I used the term 'good or better' to try and get past any notions of comparing schools at the large state schools and above. That Northwestern is a 'better' school than Ohio State or that Texas has a better environmental law program than Harvard (I have no idea) is beside the point I was trying to make.