Jews didn’t become “white adjacent” until recently, and there will never be acceptance. White supremacy is about Jews. That’s why the Nazis at Charlottesville screamed “Jews will not replace us.”
Most neo-Nazis would like to round up blacks and remove them to the African continent.
They want to exterminate Jews. There’s that word again.
They were overtly denied jobs. Hard to stop them for driving as being Jewish is not as easy to identify from across. Denied housing. Beat up and bullied. Told they were going to burn in hell. Heard jew used as a verb to mean cheap or stingy. Poked in the back with a ruler by the boy who sat behind me in 6th grade and called dirty jew. All these things happened to family members or me. And I can assure you such stories are not unique.
How many American Jews were enslaved or lynched here? Why were American Jews allowed to become white adjacent whereas Black and Native Americans were not?
Again, you need to review the history of Judaism in America. We’ve been lynched and mass-murdered. Antisemitism is alive and well in America.
We have no homeland. Jews have been thrown out of every country we’ve settled in; that’s why so many Jews cling so desperately to Israel (which presently could screw up a two-car funeral).
No one is denying that slavery is the great national stain. My only point is that the neo-Nazi movement creates terror in the hearts of many of us, and the MAGA movement is neo-Nazi.
You really want to compare the number of mass murdered or lynched Jewish people in the US to Black or Native people? That suggests you don't know the history if this country.
Jewish people chose to come here. They weren't brought in shackles and then subjected to physical, emotional, and spiritual torture as well as cultural erasure. They weren't invaded and ethnically cleansed. The MAGA movement us as American as Apple pie and fundamentally white supremacist.
Imagine being told you're subhuman monsters who were better off as slaves or that your culture and society was "primitive" and your people deserved to be exterminated in public school this century. Also, imagine if your country's currency primarily had people on it who committed atrocities against your people.
Oh yeah, how on earth did I forget that? I actually attended a Lutheran church service about 8 years ago (my husband and I were visiting his very devout aunt and uncle and I offered to go with them to be polite- my husband did not want to go but I convinced him to honor them and his own long rejected upbringing.) The pastor's sermon was bizarre. All about conspiracy theory and pretty much about how the Jews conspired to kill Jesus- he never came out and said that but the implications were clear. Horrific. Our aunt and uncle did not get it.
Jews were denied housing, jobs and university admissions because of their Judaism, but as I said, we’ve become white adjacent since the end of the Red Scare.
I’d suggest you read up on the National Front. Or 8Chan. Neo-Nazis are not talking about blacks.
I call this the Oppression Olympics. Whose people have suffered the most? I imagine that we can agree that it hasn’t been white Christian males, so let’s shake on that and part friends.
They also slaughtered a massive group of innocent people. We have our faults but we don’t massacre people.
I’m seeing a lot of “in America” qualifiers on assertions about Jews here, as though Germany were on Mars, instead of right over thataway, and the place that these nuts still consider their Fatherland.
The way I read the thread, Jews weren't the only ones the alt-right is willing to eliminate. From that perspective, My Lai, while not state sanctioned, is an example of a massacre at the hands of American citizens. William Calley's life sentence was commuted to 3 years of house arrest by Nixon. Trump would have given him the Medal of Honor.
I read the first comment as a discussion of why Mormons have had it worse than Jews. Threads get tricky to follow here so if I jumped a queue somehow I apologize.
Doctrinally not true on the subhuman claim, though past actions may have seemed that way. Definitely yes on the conservative bloc. Meh on the white supremacy. We have pockets like any religion or cross section of society but it's not the church as a whole - even in the US.
From the 1850s to the 1970s, Mormon officials taught that black people carried the "curse of Cain," were ineligible to be ordained or to receive temple rites, were fit only to be "servants of servants," and that all of this was "not my policy or the Church's policy. It is the policy of the Lord who has established it."
The essay creates better context for the following statements:
In 1970 a Salt Lake Tribune article said, “President David O. Mckay of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was quoted Wednesday as saying as early as 1954 that ‘There is no doctrine in this church and there never was a doctrine in this church to the effect that the Negroes are under any kind of a divine curse.’
When Spencer W. Kimball became prophet of the Church, he said, “I am not sure that there will be a change, although there could be. We are under the dictates of our Heavenly Father, and this is not my policy or the Church’s policy. It is the policy of the Lord who has established it, and I know of no change, although we are subject to revelations of the Lord in case he should ever wish to make a change.”
Bruce R. McConkie said the following: "Forget everything I have said, or what . . . Brigham Young . . . or whomsoever has said . . . that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world." [Bruce R. McConkie, "New Revelation on Priesthood,"
In the US they come for Black people first. They allowed the Jewish people to be white adjacent
Jews didn’t become “white adjacent” until recently, and there will never be acceptance. White supremacy is about Jews. That’s why the Nazis at Charlottesville screamed “Jews will not replace us.”
Most neo-Nazis would like to round up blacks and remove them to the African continent.
They want to exterminate Jews. There’s that word again.
Jewish people are stopped for driving while Jewish or denied jobs due to their Judaism?
They were overtly denied jobs. Hard to stop them for driving as being Jewish is not as easy to identify from across. Denied housing. Beat up and bullied. Told they were going to burn in hell. Heard jew used as a verb to mean cheap or stingy. Poked in the back with a ruler by the boy who sat behind me in 6th grade and called dirty jew. All these things happened to family members or me. And I can assure you such stories are not unique.
How many American Jews were enslaved or lynched here? Why were American Jews allowed to become white adjacent whereas Black and Native Americans were not?
Again, you need to review the history of Judaism in America. We’ve been lynched and mass-murdered. Antisemitism is alive and well in America.
We have no homeland. Jews have been thrown out of every country we’ve settled in; that’s why so many Jews cling so desperately to Israel (which presently could screw up a two-car funeral).
No one is denying that slavery is the great national stain. My only point is that the neo-Nazi movement creates terror in the hearts of many of us, and the MAGA movement is neo-Nazi.
You really want to compare the number of mass murdered or lynched Jewish people in the US to Black or Native people? That suggests you don't know the history if this country.
Jewish people chose to come here. They weren't brought in shackles and then subjected to physical, emotional, and spiritual torture as well as cultural erasure. They weren't invaded and ethnically cleansed. The MAGA movement us as American as Apple pie and fundamentally white supremacist.
I don’t. You do.
Bye now.
Yep. And I loved being told we killed Jesus.
Imagine being told you're subhuman monsters who were better off as slaves or that your culture and society was "primitive" and your people deserved to be exterminated in public school this century. Also, imagine if your country's currency primarily had people on it who committed atrocities against your people.
Oh yeah, how on earth did I forget that? I actually attended a Lutheran church service about 8 years ago (my husband and I were visiting his very devout aunt and uncle and I offered to go with them to be polite- my husband did not want to go but I convinced him to honor them and his own long rejected upbringing.) The pastor's sermon was bizarre. All about conspiracy theory and pretty much about how the Jews conspired to kill Jesus- he never came out and said that but the implications were clear. Horrific. Our aunt and uncle did not get it.
My Southern Baptist father’s minister told him his Jewish wife and children were going to hell. That was special.
Ouch. Good thing we don't believe in he'll.
Jews were denied housing, jobs and university admissions because of their Judaism, but as I said, we’ve become white adjacent since the end of the Red Scare.
WS is about Jews. You’re talking about racism. The two things are different in mission, not in degree.
What supremacy is about whiteness being supreme. In the US, Black and Native people have born the brunt of white supremacy
I’d suggest you read up on the National Front. Or 8Chan. Neo-Nazis are not talking about blacks.
I call this the Oppression Olympics. Whose people have suffered the most? I imagine that we can agree that it hasn’t been white Christian males, so let’s shake on that and part friends.
They also slaughtered a massive group of innocent people. We have our faults but we don’t massacre people.
I’m seeing a lot of “in America” qualifiers on assertions about Jews here, as though Germany were on Mars, instead of right over thataway, and the place that these nuts still consider their Fatherland.
Maybe, Kim, you aren't old enough to remember My Lai.
I’m 65. I’m not sure what Jews had to do with My Lai, though.
The way I read the thread, Jews weren't the only ones the alt-right is willing to eliminate. From that perspective, My Lai, while not state sanctioned, is an example of a massacre at the hands of American citizens. William Calley's life sentence was commuted to 3 years of house arrest by Nixon. Trump would have given him the Medal of Honor.
I read the first comment as a discussion of why Mormons have had it worse than Jews. Threads get tricky to follow here so if I jumped a queue somehow I apologize.
LDS are a key bloc in conservatism and white supremacy. They believed Native and Black people were subhuman
Doctrinally not true on the subhuman claim, though past actions may have seemed that way. Definitely yes on the conservative bloc. Meh on the white supremacy. We have pockets like any religion or cross section of society but it's not the church as a whole - even in the US.
From the 1850s to the 1970s, Mormon officials taught that black people carried the "curse of Cain," were ineligible to be ordained or to receive temple rites, were fit only to be "servants of servants," and that all of this was "not my policy or the Church's policy. It is the policy of the Lord who has established it."
Context matters. Your statements above may not all be from the same person or originated from the same conversation.
Also, we are talking policy vs doctrine.
Read the following for better clarification:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
The essay creates better context for the following statements:
In 1970 a Salt Lake Tribune article said, “President David O. Mckay of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was quoted Wednesday as saying as early as 1954 that ‘There is no doctrine in this church and there never was a doctrine in this church to the effect that the Negroes are under any kind of a divine curse.’
When Spencer W. Kimball became prophet of the Church, he said, “I am not sure that there will be a change, although there could be. We are under the dictates of our Heavenly Father, and this is not my policy or the Church’s policy. It is the policy of the Lord who has established it, and I know of no change, although we are subject to revelations of the Lord in case he should ever wish to make a change.”
Bruce R. McConkie said the following: "Forget everything I have said, or what . . . Brigham Young . . . or whomsoever has said . . . that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world." [Bruce R. McConkie, "New Revelation on Priesthood,"